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Zee:
SB how would AT&T be at fault? They are extremely stringent about giving out information, even if other governing bodies ask; they have to be subpoenaed for it. If readers have your name/address or other information it's because the caller gave it to them, not because AT&T did (but mistakes can and do happen). I'm not following your line of thinking.
And curiousgirl is right about some of these sites. I've said this before, but I know with certainty that Bitwine keeps and reviews their client's transcript. Aboutagirl showed me how that worked without realizing it. What you see and keep so does the reader, which I feel is wrong. Only the caller should have access to their transcripts. Why would the all knowing reader need to keep it too? Unless it's to stop repetitive callers, I can understand, but not for information. This is so wrong on so many levels, but you take risks with all these sites.
Don't even get me started about Oranum. There is a thread about them here so do your research first.
SomethingBetter:
Zee, AT&T owns Keen. Yes, they have to give out info in cases of subpoenas, but how can they legally give out my address to Psychic XYZ? Maybe I comprehended wrong, but what I gathered from Cutiouagitls post was that the readers had access from the site of our names/addresses. Was I reading that wrong?
Frankly if you give any total stranger over the phone your name and address you kind of deserve whatever nonsense follows.
SomethingBetter:
Wanted to add that I know nada about what goes on at the other sites, I never used them. Privacy concerns were always an issue of mine with storefront readers too.
Btw, sorry about typos, darn iPhone.
Edited to add: I know you can't name names but if you could PM me details, curiousgirl, I'd love to hear.
loops77:
My guess is that curious is saying that although "officially", they are not allowed to give personal information, that it does indeed happen. I think I remember a thread on that old forum about Magical sandra being buddy buddy with the people at the Keen headquarters..I read that she easily got bad reviews off if she called into them and complained. Although this shouldn't technically happen, the poster explained that it does. I just wish curious would give an example of how they glean information from folks with more specifics.
curiousgirl:
Loops, do you mean cold reading or how experts get it from the sites they contract with? Cold reading is well documented and can be searched up, plus once you're away from reads suddenly you see it easily if you read over read transcripts, but I don't think you mean that.
The stories I heard simply were that some experts did have contacts at their sites which did feed them info. We did have some examples at the time, but again it's a few years and while I do have old emails, I don't have access to the old group anymore. But we did have a few rogue experts giving us this info for whatever reason. Some were questionable but thought they were different to other readers, others were honest ones (right or wrong as readers). Feedback is often removed as you guys have seen. And we heard stories directly and indirectly about there being people at the sites willing to give experts transcripts from clients from other experts. Not that they can't get those on their own if they strike up their own sharing relationships, though!
And regardless of ownership, these sites are there to make money. The fact that AT&T owns Keen (had no idea) is distressing though, as that means they own a site that scams people for cash. Since there's a lot of shame and secrecy around getting reads, and since these sites hide behind "for entertainment" terms and all of it is just stuff someone's telling you that you're meant to believe, I'd imagine they feel they can't get sued or taken to task.
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