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ShootingStar:
I should have kept reading. I see that others mentioned narcissism, and yes very true that it is different from sociopath. I am actually really impressed that she picked up the lack of empathy especially since he admitted to that himself though. Definitely not a run of the mill line that could work for a lot of people, so If there is any plus in this I guess it’s that she very well could be one of the few trustworthy readers out there.
Penelope:
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--- Quote from: Penelope on December 27, 2018, 09:10:14 AM ---I thought I’d give her another try and I am not sure what to make of the second reading. She said “I am questioning if this man is on a sociopath level”. She felt “ZERO” empathy from him. I first read with her in September. At that time, I had to pull back and walk away. My POI was mad so her reading indicated that he’s moved in a different direction. The thing is, my POI could never fully let go, but he won’t step up, so I had to be the one to pull away. He’s been “lurking” so I wanted to get an update on him. Her description of him having no empathy was both absurd and true. My POI admitted that he can’t emphasize with others. He doesn’t know how. But at the same time, he also admitted strong emotional attachments and care for certain people in his life. So, she picked up on one aspect of his personality and said that he’ll never change. I am left feeling that her reading only captured a small part of the big picture. I felt she was able to pick up on specific points and based conclusions off that. I am not saying she is wrong. I am just don’t feel as though she connected with all the other parts. Or if she did, she didn’t think they were relevant.
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If she was a bad reader she would have told you he has feelings for you etc. sounds like he might be a narcissist, you may want to look up YouTube videos about them and see if it fits the pattern. All bad readers would never have said he doesn’t have empathy, they would have told you the opposite. I know it’s hard to hear but it sounds like she was closer than most if he has already told you he lacks empathy.
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I agree. That sounds pretty specific to me honestly, as to why she ultimately sees you guys going in opposite direction. I find her to be great at outcomes especially if they are shown very clear to her, even if the person may not want to believe it. I didn't believe it either at first when she gave me a negative reading on my other POI whom I thought I was going to have this perfect relationship with. While she may not mention other factors that we know about our situation (I don't know if it's because she cant see it or because she feels it's not relevant/significant like you said) and one might think that it is because she isn't fully "connected," or that she is assuming based on minor details she gets...But after reading with her for awhile, I found that even THOSE other things she didn't mention wouldn't even have mattered because her outcome was right. And the parts that she did pick up on turned out to actually play a role in the outcome. At least she doesn't EMBELLISH and add fluff. That's huge to me. I don't like it when someone makes something more significant than it actually IS and that actually does more damage to our emotions because we find ourselves holding on. Somebody could tell you all they want that this guy has feelings for you, he loves you etc...but if he is not stepping up, then what is the point? Definitely check out some videos on narcissists.
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I have to chime in to say that sociopaths can have affection, even love for specific individuals. This is an awful example, so I apologize in advance, but the mob hitman "the Iceman" was a diagnosed sociopath who didn't have empathy (which made him a great hitman), but very much loved his wife and children. He wasn't a fantastic husband and father (there was abuse), but he did feel love but only for them. And narcissism is completely different from sociopath.
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I'm chiming in too about a few things in this thread:
1. Saying that SK only got a small part of the big picture. In my experience that kind of describes the whole thing with even the best readers. They rarely or never get the whole / big picture and you are left with pieces of a puzzle to assemble. So, if SK was at least accurate on the pieces she handed you, then perhaps consider whether or not they are helpful ones.
2. Respectfully, I don't agree with @jhuskindle's statement that all bad readers would have told you the opposite. I think a LOT of bad readers will skew a reading positive but not all. Some will skew negative or simply make things up that aren't relevant. I think your own intuition may give you some insight into whether or not SK was making those things up.. but I don't think any of us can know for sure what a bad reader will say or not say...
3. Lastly, I agree that narcissist and sociopath are different animals.
And I empathize with how confusing it all is. You may just need to follow your own instincts and see what happens next to, eventually, have the big picture answers you want.
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My issue isn’t the negative she picked up or the undesirable outcome she gave me. I just felt that she picked up on one part of the puzzle and made a prediction based on that. I know a lot of readers do this and I guess that’s really my issue with SK and all those readers. I tend to be a little more cautious about their prediction (good or bad) as it didn’t seem like it took everything into account. Yes, we’ve all had readers that tune in better overall than others. For me, SK took a specific point and ran with it. While the point was true, what she didn’t pick up was that my POI acknowledges empathy is not as natural for him as for others and tried to get help. I don’t have the credentials to diagnose him but I tend to think that he is more flawed than sociopathic. And, quite frankly, I felt it was a little irresponsible to throw such terminology around without credentials (which, to my knowledge, she does not have). Just my opinion.
icloud9:
--- Quote from: Penelope on December 28, 2018, 10:15:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: doubleoh8 on December 27, 2018, 05:43:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fidget1028 on December 27, 2018, 10:04:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: icloud9 on December 27, 2018, 09:51:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: jhuskindle on December 27, 2018, 09:33:15 AM ---
--- Quote from: Penelope on December 27, 2018, 09:10:14 AM ---I thought I’d give her another try and I am not sure what to make of the second reading. She said “I am questioning if this man is on a sociopath level”. She felt “ZERO” empathy from him. I first read with her in September. At that time, I had to pull back and walk away. My POI was mad so her reading indicated that he’s moved in a different direction. The thing is, my POI could never fully let go, but he won’t step up, so I had to be the one to pull away. He’s been “lurking” so I wanted to get an update on him. Her description of him having no empathy was both absurd and true. My POI admitted that he can’t emphasize with others. He doesn’t know how. But at the same time, he also admitted strong emotional attachments and care for certain people in his life. So, she picked up on one aspect of his personality and said that he’ll never change. I am left feeling that her reading only captured a small part of the big picture. I felt she was able to pick up on specific points and based conclusions off that. I am not saying she is wrong. I am just don’t feel as though she connected with all the other parts. Or if she did, she didn’t think they were relevant.
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If she was a bad reader she would have told you he has feelings for you etc. sounds like he might be a narcissist, you may want to look up YouTube videos about them and see if it fits the pattern. All bad readers would never have said he doesn’t have empathy, they would have told you the opposite. I know it’s hard to hear but it sounds like she was closer than most if he has already told you he lacks empathy.
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I agree. That sounds pretty specific to me honestly, as to why she ultimately sees you guys going in opposite direction. I find her to be great at outcomes especially if they are shown very clear to her, even if the person may not want to believe it. I didn't believe it either at first when she gave me a negative reading on my other POI whom I thought I was going to have this perfect relationship with. While she may not mention other factors that we know about our situation (I don't know if it's because she cant see it or because she feels it's not relevant/significant like you said) and one might think that it is because she isn't fully "connected," or that she is assuming based on minor details she gets...But after reading with her for awhile, I found that even THOSE other things she didn't mention wouldn't even have mattered because her outcome was right. And the parts that she did pick up on turned out to actually play a role in the outcome. At least she doesn't EMBELLISH and add fluff. That's huge to me. I don't like it when someone makes something more significant than it actually IS and that actually does more damage to our emotions because we find ourselves holding on. Somebody could tell you all they want that this guy has feelings for you, he loves you etc...but if he is not stepping up, then what is the point? Definitely check out some videos on narcissists.
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I have to chime in to say that sociopaths can have affection, even love for specific individuals. This is an awful example, so I apologize in advance, but the mob hitman "the Iceman" was a diagnosed sociopath who didn't have empathy (which made him a great hitman), but very much loved his wife and children. He wasn't a fantastic husband and father (there was abuse), but he did feel love but only for them. And narcissism is completely different from sociopath.
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I'm chiming in too about a few things in this thread:
1. Saying that SK only got a small part of the big picture. In my experience that kind of describes the whole thing with even the best readers. They rarely or never get the whole / big picture and you are left with pieces of a puzzle to assemble. So, if SK was at least accurate on the pieces she handed you, then perhaps consider whether or not they are helpful ones.
2. Respectfully, I don't agree with @jhuskindle's statement that all bad readers would have told you the opposite. I think a LOT of bad readers will skew a reading positive but not all. Some will skew negative or simply make things up that aren't relevant. I think your own intuition may give you some insight into whether or not SK was making those things up.. but I don't think any of us can know for sure what a bad reader will say or not say...
3. Lastly, I agree that narcissist and sociopath are different animals.
And I empathize with how confusing it all is. You may just need to follow your own instincts and see what happens next to, eventually, have the big picture answers you want.
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My issue isn’t the negative she picked up or the undesirable outcome she gave me. I just felt that she picked up on one part of the puzzle and made a prediction based on that. I know a lot of readers do this and I guess that’s really my issue with SK and all those readers. I tend to be a little more cautious about their prediction (good or bad) as it didn’t seem like it took everything into account. Yes, we’ve all had readers that tune in better overall than others. For me, SK took a specific point and ran with it. While the point was true, what she didn’t pick up was that my POI acknowledges empathy is not as natural for him as for others and tried to get help. I don’t have the credentials to diagnose him but I tend to think that he is more flawed than sociopathic. And, quite frankly, I felt it was a little irresponsible to throw such terminology around without credentials (which, to my knowledge, she does not have). Just my opinion.
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You said she said he lacks empathy on a sociopathic level. That’s not the same as saying flat out someone IS a sociopath. She gave you a description, not a diagnosis.
That’s big that she picked up on that, you know, and you may know a deeper side to your POI than that mere statement alone but often times i feel like we try to over justify our POI’s lack of action and try to defend them. I’m sure there’s a lot more to your POi than just that but the unique aspect she mentioned shows she was connected to your POI. Perhaps its not the reason behind the outcome she gave but an important aspect she saw. We might not like what they bring up during readings and especially their way of interpreting the situation but it doesn’t mean they’re inaccurate.
Sometimes we try to dig deeper and ask why but I’ve learned long ago it’s pointless. I used to ask Lady P that question all the time whenever she’d give me an analysis on my POI and situation. “But why?” Lol. Unfortunately although we may look for logical reasons that are supposed to make sense but the truth is, often times our reasoning for what we do doesn’t always make “sense” and other times they are a lot more simpler than what we assume the reasons to be.
Would you have felt better about your reading if she had told you oh he is struggling with his attachment to you (or lack thereof- idk your situation) but he will get over it eventually and come your way? Sounds like some readers told you that’s what would happen. So it looks like only time will tell.
I think a lot of people tend to want to find reasons to invalidate something if we don’t like it. It’s like cognitive bias. I used to be that way when I first Started getting readings.... subconsciously looking for what i wanted to hear......Im not saying you’re doing this Penelope, but just making a general statement :)
Penelope:
--- Quote from: icloud9 on December 29, 2018, 03:28:53 AM ---
--- Quote from: Penelope on December 28, 2018, 10:15:44 PM ---
--- Quote from: doubleoh8 on December 27, 2018, 05:43:12 PM ---
--- Quote from: Fidget1028 on December 27, 2018, 10:04:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: icloud9 on December 27, 2018, 09:51:56 AM ---
--- Quote from: jhuskindle on December 27, 2018, 09:33:15 AM ---
--- Quote from: Penelope on December 27, 2018, 09:10:14 AM ---I thought I’d give her another try and I am not sure what to make of the second reading. She said “I am questioning if this man is on a sociopath level”. She felt “ZERO” empathy from him. I first read with her in September. At that time, I had to pull back and walk away. My POI was mad so her reading indicated that he’s moved in a different direction. The thing is, my POI could never fully let go, but he won’t step up, so I had to be the one to pull away. He’s been “lurking” so I wanted to get an update on him. Her description of him having no empathy was both absurd and true. My POI admitted that he can’t emphasize with others. He doesn’t know how. But at the same time, he also admitted strong emotional attachments and care for certain people in his life. So, she picked up on one aspect of his personality and said that he’ll never change. I am left feeling that her reading only captured a small part of the big picture. I felt she was able to pick up on specific points and based conclusions off that. I am not saying she is wrong. I am just don’t feel as though she connected with all the other parts. Or if she did, she didn’t think they were relevant.
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If she was a bad reader she would have told you he has feelings for you etc. sounds like he might be a narcissist, you may want to look up YouTube videos about them and see if it fits the pattern. All bad readers would never have said he doesn’t have empathy, they would have told you the opposite. I know it’s hard to hear but it sounds like she was closer than most if he has already told you he lacks empathy.
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I agree. That sounds pretty specific to me honestly, as to why she ultimately sees you guys going in opposite direction. I find her to be great at outcomes especially if they are shown very clear to her, even if the person may not want to believe it. I didn't believe it either at first when she gave me a negative reading on my other POI whom I thought I was going to have this perfect relationship with. While she may not mention other factors that we know about our situation (I don't know if it's because she cant see it or because she feels it's not relevant/significant like you said) and one might think that it is because she isn't fully "connected," or that she is assuming based on minor details she gets...But after reading with her for awhile, I found that even THOSE other things she didn't mention wouldn't even have mattered because her outcome was right. And the parts that she did pick up on turned out to actually play a role in the outcome. At least she doesn't EMBELLISH and add fluff. That's huge to me. I don't like it when someone makes something more significant than it actually IS and that actually does more damage to our emotions because we find ourselves holding on. Somebody could tell you all they want that this guy has feelings for you, he loves you etc...but if he is not stepping up, then what is the point? Definitely check out some videos on narcissists.
--- End quote ---
I have to chime in to say that sociopaths can have affection, even love for specific individuals. This is an awful example, so I apologize in advance, but the mob hitman "the Iceman" was a diagnosed sociopath who didn't have empathy (which made him a great hitman), but very much loved his wife and children. He wasn't a fantastic husband and father (there was abuse), but he did feel love but only for them. And narcissism is completely different from sociopath.
--- End quote ---
I'm chiming in too about a few things in this thread:
1. Saying that SK only got a small part of the big picture. In my experience that kind of describes the whole thing with even the best readers. They rarely or never get the whole / big picture and you are left with pieces of a puzzle to assemble. So, if SK was at least accurate on the pieces she handed you, then perhaps consider whether or not they are helpful ones.
2. Respectfully, I don't agree with @jhuskindle's statement that all bad readers would have told you the opposite. I think a LOT of bad readers will skew a reading positive but not all. Some will skew negative or simply make things up that aren't relevant. I think your own intuition may give you some insight into whether or not SK was making those things up.. but I don't think any of us can know for sure what a bad reader will say or not say...
3. Lastly, I agree that narcissist and sociopath are different animals.
And I empathize with how confusing it all is. You may just need to follow your own instincts and see what happens next to, eventually, have the big picture answers you want.
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My issue isn’t the negative she picked up or the undesirable outcome she gave me. I just felt that she picked up on one part of the puzzle and made a prediction based on that. I know a lot of readers do this and I guess that’s really my issue with SK and all those readers. I tend to be a little more cautious about their prediction (good or bad) as it didn’t seem like it took everything into account. Yes, we’ve all had readers that tune in better overall than others. For me, SK took a specific point and ran with it. While the point was true, what she didn’t pick up was that my POI acknowledges empathy is not as natural for him as for others and tried to get help. I don’t have the credentials to diagnose him but I tend to think that he is more flawed than sociopathic. And, quite frankly, I felt it was a little irresponsible to throw such terminology around without credentials (which, to my knowledge, she does not have). Just my opinion.
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You said she said he lacks empathy on a sociopathic level. That’s not the same as saying flat out someone IS a sociopath. She gave you a description, not a diagnosis.
That’s big that she picked up on that, you know, and you may know a deeper side to your POI than that mere statement alone but often times i feel like we try to over justify our POI’s lack of action and try to defend them. I’m sure there’s a lot more to your POi than just that but the unique aspect she mentioned shows she was connected to your POI. Perhaps its not the reason behind the outcome she gave but an important aspect she saw. We might not like what they bring up during readings and especially their way of interpreting the situation but it doesn’t mean they’re inaccurate.
Sometimes we try to dig deeper and ask why but I’ve learned long ago it’s pointless. I used to ask Lady P that question all the time whenever she’d give me an analysis on my POI and situation. “But why?” Lol. Unfortunately although we may look for logical reasons that are supposed to make sense but the truth is, often times our reasoning for what we do doesn’t always make “sense” and other times they are a lot more simpler than what we assume the reasons to be.
Would you have felt better about your reading if she had told you oh he is struggling with his attachment to you (or lack thereof- idk your situation) but he will get over it eventually and come your way? Sounds like some readers told you that’s what would happen. So it looks like only time will tell.
I think a lot of people tend to want to find reasons to invalidate something if we don’t like it. It’s like cognitive dissonance. I used to be that way when I first Started getting readings.... subconsciously looking for what i wanted to hear......Im not saying you’re doing this Penelope, but just making a general statement :)
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His empathetic issues had little to do with why I started calling psychics or why I had to pull away. If things improved with that, maybe it will help resolve his other issues and eventually help bring us closer. I’ve known the man for over 20 years. SK picked up on an issue that he was actually trying to work out. It was an issue small enough that my POI felt he could tackle to try to get help with. We have bigger issues involved that he has yet to touch upon. I didn’t say that SK was inaccurate but question her prediction based on one small aspect of the man. I did ask if she saw anything else I should know about and she did tell me he loves me. But, in the end, he is not going to change. There were readers who did note him not being able to understand completely how I felt but they picked up on the bigger issues as well. Their predictions aren’t great either (we are in for a loooong bumpy ride, at best...:/) but I felt more comfortable with them because they picked up the other things. He does have a way to go towards being human so she may be right that he won’t change. Like you said, only time will tell...
icloud9:
Prediction came true.
my last reading with her she said I will receive some sort of an update from my POI's situation by the end of the month and that he'll want to make a plan to see me to have a heart to heart convo. She told me she doesn't believe I'd be able to spend New Years with him because of something happening "last minute" for him that wont be good news. Just received a message from him and it was very sweet. we have made plans to see each other on the 2nd. He had a family emergency come up and he'll be staying at the hospital tonight.
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