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Psychics discouraging LOA??
WinterElf:
how long have you been off of readings?
ladya:
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--- Quote from: Star_01 on September 02, 2019, 06:58:45 AM ---People are allowed to disbelieve in "LOA". I've had lots of proof of it not happening. I have, however, had proof of certain things being set that I cannot change. When a reader spouts the LOA spiel or free will I find that just as discouraging. I find readers blame LOA on you for not doing the exercises properly or even thinking of somebody too much and the person "picks up on it".
Think about it, I'm sure there is someone out there who may want to reconcile with you but you certainly do not want it to happen and for no money in the world would you arrange to see them again. Yet according to LOA you can manifest someone to want you and miss you. That is a little crazy in my eyes. Some things are just meant to not be and I find it a little more realistic knowing something will or won't be for me. If LOA worked all the time for everyone, everyone would be doing it, would be happy, would get everything they wanted. What if the things that you want to manifest were supposed to manifest anyway? Some people are in really predictable situations where the ex likely does pop his head up often and it's an on and off situation deadend. You can't possibly have every single thing you want in life and so LOA can't work because imagine if we all got everything we wanted just by some exercises and positive thinking. I tried last year many exercises given by readers of LOA to manifest my ex back and he did not come back in the slightest. Yet I had a premonition that was pre-destined that we were done and that was that. And guess what that was right over any free will or LOA. I think it's much healthier to have the mindset of if this person is meant for me then they will come to me, regardless of LOA, free will whatever. I've seen plenty of posts on here about people only manifesting a guy to contact them but it goes no further than that. Idk.. I just see LOA as a blame game. "You weren't positive enough", or "you attracted these bad things". I think that's a really dangerous game to play. I could go on, but a reader is entitled to say they do or don't believe in something and if you disagree with that then not to go to them again. Simply I'm tired of hearing about free will used at every opportunity and as an excuse always like others are probably sick of hearing about free will all of the time.
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LOA is more complicated than that. I follow Goddard. I don't like Abraham hicks or any other teachers tbh. LOA Deals with the notion that no one exists outside of you. So if you believe that people have their own lives and free will, that’s what will manifest. If you don’t then you’ll have an easier time manifesting. No one can manifest you, only your world exists. People can only manifest you if you believe theyre manifesting you. LOA is quite intricate and there’s a lot of reasons why it doesn’t work for people. People have conflicting beliefs and don’t even realize it. I believe in fate too but I believe both coexist.
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Yeah, personally I don't believe in LOA at all. I've been blamed for thinking of someone too much or the opposite, not doing exercises on them enough or indepth when I followed exactly as I was told. I shouldn't need to do exercises to bring someone back, they should want to come back themselves to me. I believe in letting whatever happen to happen, yeah I'll have readings on them but I'll leave it as if they come back they come back, not casting spells or manifesting to get them back.
The reason why I responded on here was because that reader that WinterElf read with may have had their own experience like me where they had proof of LOA not working. I mean Yona believes in predestiny but others may not agree and other readers may believe in free will but customers won't agree. They are human and may have had their own reasoning for why they believe/don't believe in what they do/don't. Some readers believe in God and bring that into a reading and others won't believe in God etc.
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You’re entitled to your beliefs but it has nothing to do with how much or how little you think of something. Neville always said that once you plant the seed it’s bound to manifest in it’s appointed hour. You can do it just once, as long as it’s properly planted. For example, you mentioned that you want people to come back on their own in their own time so in your world you appointed them free will to do whatever and created this notion of time. LOA isn’t for everyone but I’ve manifested quite a bit but I’ve also been practicing it for a long time and am still learning the best methods. For instance, Neville believes you need to plant only the seed of the desired outcome and not short term outcomes like texts because one may not correlate and drop off after the manifestation happened depending on other circumstances. Also the importance of first person visualization and I practiced doing this by seeing parts of my body like my hands in the scene and would use that to focus. There’s a lot to it and isn’t just thinking about someone. It’s your beliefs about men, that situation, that person in particular, or jobs or whatever else.
aquagirl:
I agree with Ladya 100%, we manifest even when we are unaware. Star there is so much resistance around you, what you resist persists. I'm not here to convince you otherwise, I'm focused on creating a world around me that i want. And surrender and letting go are the two most important things you can do. The greater the emotional attachment the harder it is to do. I have manifested scenes with a person that i consider to be stubborn and they planned out just like i imagined. they are stubborn because thats my belief and that's what i need to change. Sometimes something happens that we think our manifestation isn't going to happen and that's actually the sign it is. I was on vacation, i book the cheapest room to save money, there was another room i really wanted, but i wanted to be economical. I get to the resort and it's party central, I can't sleep, enjoy myself. I go to the manager and said if i would have know this was going to happen i would have booked a week later. She said they should have to put this on their website for people to know. She then offered me the exact room I was wanting to start with. I didn't have a freakout or demand anything. I was just saying it would have been nice to know this ahead of time so i could plan properly. The room that i originally wanted was at the end of the property away from all of the noise. So that little "bad" happened so i could get my end result.
I have so many examples to share. And if i go through my life, i can see how my thoughts and beliefs shaped my reality, i just wish i knew all of this before. In my experience, the people who claim LOA doesn't work, simply aren't doing it right. They always claim that they did just as they were told and did all the work. but the thing is , even reading the posts you can feel the resistance. It's about letting it go and not holding on to the outcome. They set their intentions and try to micromange the outcome. Letting go means letting God/Universe deliver in divine timing. If I want a 300$ coffee maker for $100, i state my intention. (I don't do 'exercises" i just put out to the universe what i want) , And then usually within a week or two I happen upon a sale where I find it for 100$. During that time, i am not stalking ads, looking for deals, I just put it out there, and go on with my life and really forget i put it out there until i stumble upon it. And then I'll go oh yeah i manifested that! When it comes to something we are emotionally attached to, that's extremely difficult to do. And that is why it takes longer or seems to not work at all. Because we send out our intentions and still keep our focus there, then when we don't see results we get upset etc... Its when you become indifferent to the outcome that it happens. This is also why often times when we don't want a SP anymore that is when they show up, because let go of that energy, up until then we strangled it and it couldn't breathe. I have helped enough people with this process to know it does work if done right, the trouble is people convince themselves they are when they aren't.
As far as psychics go, out of all the ones i've ever read with, i don't recall any really being against LOA, when i ask what i can do to change the outcome, many are very receptive. I only read with my trusted three, one of which really is into the LOA. The others are but don't seem to put as much focus on it. but will give you guidance how to change things for yourself. I remember about 20 years ago i went to this one and i loved her at the time, and this was before LOA, she made it seem like this is what she saw and that there wasn't anything you can do to change the outcome. or how it came about. But then she's also the one that introduced me to Catherine Ponds. It was really strange, because at one point she'd say you can change this or that, but others not really. That's the only one i ever really had that experience with.
Any psychic that gets that bent out of shape is coming from pure ego and not spirit. The ones i read with know they aren't 100% and they don't make false promises, they are down' to earth and actually really good with what they do.
As far as destiny goes, i do believe we contracted with other souls to meet and learn lessons, the thing is, soulmate doesn't mean fairytale, but usually means hard lessons so we can grow and learn from. People don't get that for the most part and that's part of the problem.
Girly1998:
I think LOA can work but it’s also unrealistic to say it’ll always work. You can’t get through life solely using LOA. You can’t think yourself into becoming a millionaire if you don’t put in any other work other than telling the universe you want it.
I’m not discrediting LOA in any way - I believe in it to an extent but I also know there are some extreme people out there and it’s pretty disheartening to tell someone their POI married someone else because they didn’t imagine correctly.
I was on a LOA forum and asked “what if they’re using LOA on someone else” and I had people telling me that if they were using it on someone else it’s only because I created that reality for them. You can believe what you want but somebody else reality doesn’t exist just because I do. If I die does that mean they also die? Who’s there to control them now?
Specific people aren’t created just for us to puppet. I believe in LOA. I believe you attract the energy you put out but I do not believe that my reality is the only reality there is and people are as they are just because I created them that way.
ladya:
--- Quote from: aquagirl on September 02, 2019, 06:07:15 PM ---I agree with Ladya 100%, we manifest even when we are unaware. Star there is so much resistance around you, what you resist persists. I'm not here to convince you otherwise, I'm focused on creating a world around me that i want. And surrender and letting go are the two most important things you can do. The greater the emotional attachment the harder it is to do. I have manifested scenes with a person that i consider to be stubborn and they planned out just like i imagined. they are stubborn because thats my belief and that's what i need to change. Sometimes something happens that we think our manifestation isn't going to happen and that's actually the sign it is. I was on vacation, i book the cheapest room to save money, there was another room i really wanted, but i wanted to be economical. I get to the resort and it's party central, I can't sleep, enjoy myself. I go to the manager and said if i would have know this was going to happen i would have booked a week later. She said they should have to put this on their website for people to know. She then offered me the exact room I was wanting to start with. I didn't have a freakout or demand anything. I was just saying it would have been nice to know this ahead of time so i could plan properly. The room that i originally wanted was at the end of the property away from all of the noise. So that little "bad" happened so i could get my end result.
I have so many examples to share. And if i go through my life, i can see how my thoughts and beliefs shaped my reality, i just wish i knew all of this before. In my experience, the people who claim LOA doesn't work, simply aren't doing it right. They always claim that they did just as they were told and did all the work. but the thing is , even reading the posts you can feel the resistance. It's about letting it go and not holding on to the outcome. They set their intentions and try to micromange the outcome. Letting go means letting God/Universe deliver in divine timing. If I want a 300$ coffee maker for $100, i state my intention. (I don't do 'exercises" i just put out to the universe what i want) , And then usually within a week or two I happen upon a sale where I find it for 100$. During that time, i am not stalking ads, looking for deals, I just put it out there, and go on with my life and really forget i put it out there until i stumble upon it. And then I'll go oh yeah i manifested that! When it comes to something we are emotionally attached to, that's extremely difficult to do. And that is why it takes longer or seems to not work at all. Because we send out our intentions and still keep our focus there, then when we don't see results we get upset etc... Its when you become indifferent to the outcome that it happens. This is also why often times when we don't want a SP anymore that is when they show up, because let go of that energy, up until then we strangled it and it couldn't breathe. I have helped enough people with this process to know it does work if done right, the trouble is people convince themselves they are when they aren't.
As far as psychics go, out of all the ones i've ever read with, i don't recall any really being against LOA, when i ask what i can do to change the outcome, many are very receptive. I only read with my trusted three, one of which really is into the LOA. The others are but don't seem to put as much focus on it. but will give you guidance how to change things for yourself. I remember about 20 years ago i went to this one and i loved her at the time, and this was before LOA, she made it seem like this is what she saw and that there wasn't anything you can do to change the outcome. or how it came about. But then she's also the one that introduced me to Catherine Ponds. It was really strange, because at one point she'd say you can change this or that, but others not really. That's the only one i ever really had that experience with.
Any psychic that gets that bent out of shape is coming from pure ego and not spirit. The ones i read with know they aren't 100% and they don't make false promises, they are down' to earth and actually really good with what they do.
As far as destiny goes, i do believe we contracted with other souls to meet and learn lessons, the thing is, soulmate doesn't mean fairytale, but usually means hard lessons so we can grow and learn from. People don't get that for the most part and that's part of the problem.
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Lol I’m so good at manifesting sales and getting things I want at a certain price. Each time it happens, I’m still amazed as if it’s the first time lmao. It so easy to do it on things like that cause we don’t really care. It’s a fun game to play also because it helps you with the manifesting process and knowing the big things will come too. A lot of people think it doesn’t work because it doesn’t come when they want it. It will come, it’s just a matter of when and what has to fall into place before hand. When something happens along the way that I didn’t particularly want I just tell myself everything is working out perfectly and getting me to my desired outcome. Sometimes things look negative but really it’s getting you to where you want to be. If you planted the seed nothing can stop it from happening, so as long as that’s a dominant belief, it doesn’t matter what happens along the way, it will happen.
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