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jen80:
The physical controls the phsical.
The spirtual controls the physical and the spirtual.
1sweetday:
All due respect, but that doesn't make sense. It has to go both ways... if something happens to someone in the physical world, it can have repercussions in the spiritual world, Christianity is based on that premise. Because my actions and sins here affect my existence in the next plane, Christ was sent here to suffer in my stead and save me for my next plane of existence. His actions in the physical world directly impact the spiritual realm. Likewise, the spiritual world can impact and interact with the physical, like you said.
But I think you are not quite grasping what I mean by fluidity... not all changes are grandiose and drastic, most are only subtle shifts and variables that can change your motives and interactions in the smallest of ways which coincide with those same sorts of small changes happening within someone else. Chaos theory and what not, a butterfly flaps its wings in Kansas and causes a typhoon in Cambodia, etc. Not all changes have to be a rushing waterfall bowling you over... sometimes it can just be a bird landing on a branch outside your window to confirm a personal sign.
jen80:
Ok
Using the biblical examples.
In actual fact of the bible your existence in the next plane which is either heaven or hell does not depend on what you do here. What you do here in the old testament has rewards or consequences here on earth and in the new testament it gives you a hope but not a guarantee.
The bible tells us that we will enter the kingdom of heaven by only God's grace. He decides who goes in and noone knows what criteria he is using.
God in the book of proverbs said that he looks at the heart of men and not their actions because men lie. The bible also says that God cannot be deceived.
To connect to God is spiritual not physical. E.g you will find some that go to church religiously, gives to charity, prays and recites prayers daily but God is very upset with them because he looks at their heart and sees that its all phsyical not spirtual (meaning real connection).
In the bible the parable of the pharise and saducee that went to the temple comes to mind. Where one is saying that God should listen to him instead of the other because he does all the rituals not like the other one but God chose the other one.
At the cross the lifelong criminal next to jesus went to heaven because jesus chose him. All his life he was a criminal.
The new testament says we will get into heaven not by what we do here but by the grace of God.
When you do 'good' here what you did was put an apllication to go to heaven ultimately God chooses who goes.
jen80:
Sorry I write very fast and always have a lot of mistake and don't proofread.
So when you do sins here you get the punishment that the spirtual has laid out but your sins do not change anything spiritually.
The bible laid two paths. Each path has a pre destined ending.
Your sins or goodness does not change anything in heaven.
God remains the same yesterday, today and forever.
Anything you get is not because you are so good its because of is grace.
In the book of job God said that he send rain on both the good and the bad.
jen80:
Am going to bed now. Will reply any other thing tomorrow. Good night all
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