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Scorpio9227:
I totally agree with this!! I know that a lot of people believe in free will, but I honestly think it’s just a safety net for psychics to fall back on when they give you predictions that do not manifest. I understand that each particular brand of psychic has their own special set of gifts whether it be tarot, empath, etc. but I dont find empaths to be particularl y useful overall, unless you’re actively dating and got into some sort of bizarre altercation . My boyfriend is a moody hot mess and when we would fight in the past, his erratic behavior was so bizarre that I found them to be helpful because they could give you a leg up, however not a damn prediction has ever come true!! QOC has given me some insane all over the board readings. She’s been spot on during a couple of arguments but the one time, before we went on a trip she told me that he’s just not into me, he wants his freedom, blah blah, then like five minutes later she said “your boyfriend loves you he’s just worried about work and its weighing him down” I was like wait what?! Meanwhile, we were literally leaving the following day to go to Cancun for a wedding.. so she went from one extreme to the next IN THE SAME READING.. I was like ehhh maybe it was an off day? But I’ve read with her two subsequent times and I’ve had underwhelmi ng experiences . She basically gave no info and told me generic lines “he’s just wanting some privacy” but to reinforce your original point, I am 100% on board with your train of thought. I’ve always personally found “free will” to be some bs cop out for when they’re wrong, because honestly lets be real, if they’re truly psychic and “foresee” some given outcome, how can anything you do between now and then actually change the course of events? What’s meant to be, should be .. right?
--- Quote from: Star_01 on September 15, 2019, 03:24:15 AM ---I know I've said this before, but she got third party really wrong for me. She told me someone was backed in a corner and couldn't commit to any of the 3 girls around him and so he wouldn't be able to with me. Well he was with someone at the time of the reading which she did not pick up and he has been to this day, so I disagree about her being so good for 3rd parties personally. She also said he did have feelings for me.. Well, the guy himself said he absolutely didn't at all and told me to move on and blocked me when all these readers promised he did and free will extending timelines.
I know empaths work on the here and now but I find they can be really flaky with you. I have been going to an empath and one moment they tell me someone felt guilt for how they were and feelings triggered with me so they got freaked out and ended things with me and they give me a timescale of him reaching out, timescale comes and goes then I ask her what happened, to which it.then progressive ly becomes more negative. It's they don't care at all, back's turned to me and seeing other women, and if they came forth it would only be to use me. I then say to her why is it the first reading you gave was positive and the more timescales you give with nothing happening the situation worsens. She says welll sometimes he feels guilt it goes in cycles, free will and feelings change?! It makes no sense and I personally don't believe in free will as much as readers play on it. I do believe some things are set. Someone may well think of us but not want to come back, someone may not be thinking of you 24/7 but may well still come back. Yes people's feelings change, but if a reader looked at my energy yesterday for example they could say well Star is not really focusing on you right now and I see anger and that they couldn't forgive you for the way you acted but deep down know I'm angry but I still care and miss him. If they looked at me today, I could get really upset over my POI and be crying and thinking of him wanting him to reach out so badly and I still care. So I still want the same outcomes and my mind comes across as conflicted but the end outcome I still want. What really is the point of readings if people's minds can change and outcomes can so easily?
I've seen people post many a time saying "this reader I hated at the time because they told me he wouldn't be back and met someone else... Well they were right", no free will there. Yet when you get told he loves you he's coming back it's free will central lol and suddenly after time, he doesn't love you and has met someone else. And looking at the success rates of people getting back together and "free will" stopped it, most of the time the reader was just wrong, surely, but many readers don't like to admit that they simply got an outcome wrong and just use good old free will. I've never had a reader go "ok I was wrong". It's okay to admit you got things wrong but they never do they blame it on energy changes or free will. Yes it can probably happen but I don't believe as commonly as these readers make out.
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Star_01:
--- Quote from: Scorpio9227 on September 15, 2019, 05:03:47 AM ---I totally agree with this!! I know that a lot of people believe in free will, but I honestly think it’s just a safety net for psychics to fall back on when they give you predictions that do not manifest. I understand that each particular brand of psychic has their own special set of gifts whether it be tarot, empath, etc. but I dont find empaths to be particularl y useful overall, unless you’re actively dating and got into some sort of bizarre altercation . My boyfriend is a moody hot mess and when we would fight in the past, his erratic behavior was so bizarre that I found them to be helpful because they could give you a leg up, however not a damn prediction has ever come true!! QOC has given me some insane all over the board readings. She’s been spot on during a couple of arguments but the one time, before we went on a trip she told me that he’s just not into me, he wants his freedom, blah blah, then like five minutes later she said “your boyfriend loves you he’s just worried about work and its weighing him down” I was like wait what?! Meanwhile, we were literally leaving the following day to go to Cancun for a wedding.. so she went from one extreme to the next IN THE SAME READING.. I was like ehhh maybe it was an off day? But I’ve read with her two subsequent times and I’ve had underwhelmi ng experiences . She basically gave no info and told me generic lines “he’s just wanting some privacy” but to reinforce your original point, I am 100% on board with your train of thought. I’ve always personally found “free will” to be some bs cop out for when they’re wrong, because honestly lets be real, if they’re truly psychic and “foresee” some given outcome, how can anything you do between now and then actually change the course of events? What’s meant to be, should be .. right?
--- Quote from: Star_01 on September 15, 2019, 03:24:15 AM ---I know I've said this before, but she got third party really wrong for me. She told me someone was backed in a corner and couldn't commit to any of the 3 girls around him and so he wouldn't be able to with me. Well he was with someone at the time of the reading which she did not pick up and he has been to this day, so I disagree about her being so good for 3rd parties personally. She also said he did have feelings for me.. Well, the guy himself said he absolutely didn't at all and told me to move on and blocked me when all these readers promised he did and free will extending timelines.
I know empaths work on the here and now but I find they can be really flaky with you. I have been going to an empath and one moment they tell me someone felt guilt for how they were and feelings triggered with me so they got freaked out and ended things with me and they give me a timescale of him reaching out, timescale comes and goes then I ask her what happened, to which it.then progressive ly becomes more negative. It's they don't care at all, back's turned to me and seeing other women, and if they came forth it would only be to use me. I then say to her why is it the first reading you gave was positive and the more timescales you give with nothing happening the situation worsens. She says welll sometimes he feels guilt it goes in cycles, free will and feelings change?! It makes no sense and I personally don't believe in free will as much as readers play on it. I do believe some things are set. Someone may well think of us but not want to come back, someone may not be thinking of you 24/7 but may well still come back. Yes people's feelings change, but if a reader looked at my energy yesterday for example they could say well Star is not really focusing on you right now and I see anger and that they couldn't forgive you for the way you acted but deep down know I'm angry but I still care and miss him. If they looked at me today, I could get really upset over my POI and be crying and thinking of him wanting him to reach out so badly and I still care. So I still want the same outcomes and my mind comes across as conflicted but the end outcome I still want. What really is the point of readings if people's minds can change and outcomes can so easily?
I've seen people post many a time saying "this reader I hated at the time because they told me he wouldn't be back and met someone else... Well they were right", no free will there. Yet when you get told he loves you he's coming back it's free will central lol and suddenly after time, he doesn't love you and has met someone else. And looking at the success rates of people getting back together and "free will" stopped it, most of the time the reader was just wrong, surely, but many readers don't like to admit that they simply got an outcome wrong and just use good old free will. I've never had a reader go "ok I was wrong". It's okay to admit you got things wrong but they never do they blame it on energy changes or free will. Yes it can probably happen but I don't believe as commonly as these readers make out.
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I completely agree tbh. I was nervous to make this post because it has caused backlash before, but because it's an ongoing situation where I am talking to an empath and they are mucking me around I thought it surely be okay to post how I'm feeling right now... This is why I'm skeptical of the whole free will thing or at least how common it claims to be. I've seen people say on here that they believe in free will and a reader is only giving what they see at the time but when a reader flips on them the free will line they don't like it. I just don't see the point in readings if the outcome can change, especially (damn) in the same reading like you had. At the end of the day most people are reading to know when the ex will be back or POI, some people are (like you), calling about a fallout with their boyfriend and want a leg up for what the hell happened but they're still in contact or even official with their POI. I'm getting kinda bored of it being used all the time as a backout clause. They are so sure when it's bad news and he won't be returning but when he is it's always "Oh I have to say that he has got free will". It just makes me feel very "hmm". I just find readings confuse you even more because each time it changes very polar opposite. When I was addicted I would call the same reader once a week to ensure that "free will" didn't happen and they could pre-warn me of something and nope free will drastically occured within even the same call, 24hrs later or even a week later. The bottom line is most of the time readers are making guesses or being shown images and having to piece info together and they aren't sure themselves.
Yt5587:
It depends on the thoughts you have of that person. If you truly believe you’re going to be together, no matter what your current reality is showing you, you’ll eventually be with that person.
Star_01:
--- Quote from: Yt5587 on September 15, 2019, 05:27:15 AM ---It depends on the thoughts you have of that person. If you truly believe you’re going to be together, no matter what your current reality is showing you, you’ll eventually be with that person. It shouldn't matter what you think of someone, you can't change what is meant or not meant to be.
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Not at all in my case. I really wanted to be with someone and had faith, but they told me themselves in no uncertain terms they were not in love with me at all and to take care but they didn't want what I wanted with them. It was easier to believe the readers who wrapped me up in cotton wool and said he's mad and doesn't mean it than accept at first the painful truth. It shouldn't matter what you believe or feel, it can't change what is or isn't meant for you.
Scorpio9227:
--- Quote from: Yt5587 on September 15, 2019, 05:27:15 AM ---It depends on the thoughts you have of that person. If you truly believe you’re going to be together, no matter what your current reality is showing you, you’ll eventually be with that person.
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I feel like we all get sucked down the slippery slope of being overly hopeful/attached to a person that we are wanting to be with. Whether or not we truly want that person, or feel they’re “the one” they may not be the one, but you’re blinded by your emotional desire for them. In which case, free will is sort of absurd because how can you separate your actions, which are denoted by potential emotional catalyst and the “outcome” which is underlyingl y blamed upon acting for how youre feeling. If you really love someone, it can end painfully, and you can remain fixated, hopefully awaiting their return. I feel we’ve all been there, and that’s how it becomes all too easy to get sucked into the psychic vortex of obsessively and anxiously calling .. just hoping to hear that they’ll return, and that they love you, too.
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