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Metaphysical, Spiritual and Psychic Discussions => Keen.com => Topic started by: jas on September 28, 2017, 11:05:33 PM
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UGH....why do I do this to myself. So I was having what I thought was a bit of a problem at work..felt certain my job was in jeopardy. Right before I left work yesterday my boss said we needed to have a meeting...I was scared. So I came home and went on a very expensive run on Keen last night. I called several asking what was going to happen. Only two got it right - Soulful Journeys and Psychic Jedi. SJ actually laughed at me she said "meetings are normal, this is a good thing, why are you letting it flip you out. I see this meeting going very well and it will result in you being happy." Jedi basically told me the same. EVERYBODY else said there were problems and I would be taken to task...actual exact words of Sincerity (she is off my list now) The meeting went very well and I am very relaxed tonight. It couldn't have gone any better, yet I wasted HUNDREDS of DOLLARS last night and spent a restless night in bed because of what so many of them told me. I hope I have learned my lesson and can now just call one or two when I am having a meltdown.
Does anyone else on here do anything like this?
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UGH....why do I do this to myself. So I was having what I thought was a bit of a problem at work..felt certain my job was in jeopardy. Right before I left work yesterday my boss said we needed to have a meeting...I was scared. So I came home and went on a very expensive run on Keen last night. I called several asking what was going to happen. Only two got it right - Soulful Journeys and Psychic Jedi. SJ actually laughed at me she said "meetings are normal, this is a good thing, why are you letting it flip you out. I see this meeting going very well and it will result in you being happy." Jedi basically told me the same. EVERYBODY else said there were problems and I would be taken to task...actual exact words of Sincerity (she is off my list now) The meeting went very well and I am very relaxed tonight. It couldn't have gone any better, yet I wasted HUNDREDS of DOLLARS last night and spent a restless night in bed because of what so many of them told me. I hope I have learned my lesson and can now just call one or two when I am having a meltdown.
Does anyone else on here do anything like this?
There is a lesson here in how to be a good boss! I manage staff, and if I had to have a meeting with any of them, I would let them know there and then the essence of the meeting, rather than let them sweat it out over night, or worst still, over the weekend!
I think you should walk around telling yourself 24/7 that you are an amazing employee!
The other readers "may" have been picking up on your fear. I remember having a conversation with LoL on this - she told me never to call a psychic when I was in a very fearful space (which is all of us right!?) because it is possible to pick up on emotions that can affect the read.
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Thanks Kate, you made great points. My boss left me hanging overnight, all for nothing. Glad to hear that you don't do that to your staff.
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UGH....why do I do this to myself. So I was having what I thought was a bit of a problem at work..felt certain my job was in jeopardy. Right before I left work yesterday my boss said we needed to have a meeting...I was scared. So I came home and went on a very expensive run on Keen last night. I called several asking what was going to happen. Only two got it right - Soulful Journeys and Psychic Jedi. SJ actually laughed at me she said "meetings are normal, this is a good thing, why are you letting it flip you out. I see this meeting going very well and it will result in you being happy." Jedi basically told me the same. EVERYBODY else said there were problems and I would be taken to task...actual exact words of Sincerity (she is off my list now) The meeting went very well and I am very relaxed tonight. It couldn't have gone any better, yet I wasted HUNDREDS of DOLLARS last night and spent a restless night in bed because of what so many of them told me. I hope I have learned my lesson and can now just call one or two when I am having a meltdown.
Does anyone else on here do anything like this?
Yes.... I've done this on many occasions... Sigh :(
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I binged for a whole freaking month one time. I spent $4000! I couldn't believe it when I added it up. The shame, remorse and guilt I felt was incredible. I was in such a desperate and fearful state having to know something, that I just kept calling and calling. The more I called, the more I called.
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UGH....why do I do this to myself. So I was having what I thought was a bit of a problem at work..felt certain my job was in jeopardy. Right before I left work yesterday my boss said we needed to have a meeting...I was scared. So I came home and went on a very expensive run on Keen last night. I called several asking what was going to happen. Only two got it right - Soulful Journeys and Psychic Jedi. SJ actually laughed at me she said "meetings are normal, this is a good thing, why are you letting it flip you out. I see this meeting going very well and it will result in you being happy." Jedi basically told me the same. EVERYBODY else said there were problems and I would be taken to task...actual exact words of Sincerity (she is off my list now) The meeting went very well and I am very relaxed tonight. It couldn't have gone any better, yet I wasted HUNDREDS of DOLLARS last night and spent a restless night in bed because of what so many of them told me. I hope I have learned my lesson and can now just call one or two when I am having a meltdown.
Does anyone else on here do anything like this?
Ask for satisfaction guarantee saying the predictions didn't happen!
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The more I called, the more I called - this. Once you pop, you can't stop. And there is no exchange of money so we don't feel we are actually giving anything up to "get" which is part of why it's so dangerous financially. That's why finance coaches recommend switched to catch, so we "feel" the purchases we make. And have to actually give something away to get something.
They say that's the psychology of credit cards, too. With cards, you give it, they swipe, you get it back. Same psychology of not having "given" anything. Makes it way too easy for emotions to override logic with psychic binges..
The bottom line if it is about a relationship, is they don't want what we want. Not now, maybe not ever, maybe next week, maybe in a year. But we call to find out why, when.
Does it truly matter if it does happen next week or next year? No, because your reality is in the now. Today. Right now.
And now. And now. And now. The more we think about the past or desire the future the less we are present and the more we hurt ourselves.
Get present. Accept whatever situation you are currently in. Then ask yourself does the current situation require any action on your part right now to handle it. Could you do anything to make it better (like... try talking to the person). No? Then you've done all you can do. If it doesn't require action, your only job is to accept it. That's all it is - a situation. But the more you refuse to accept it for what it is, the more it will bother you and distract you from living your best life, right now.
And go read The Power of Now. :)
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I went on a binge in April after an upsetting incident. I didn't call multiple times in a day, but I spent about $1,000.00 total. I was really pissed at myself.
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I've done that several times. And at the end of the month when I do my finances I say holy shit, $1200 on readings? REALLY? But, the money is gone. And so I haven't dwelled on it. I've just been thankful that I've been able to scrape by even with a pretty successful career, but I should be so much better off financially than I am currently because of this "coping habit" I fell into.
And then I remember something one of the biggest personal finance people said, which is it's really hard to get your personal finances on track when you have a broken heart. I was like - hell. yah. Unfortunately, I seemed to want to stay in these hot and cold will he / wont he situations.
For me, I wanted so badly for it to have a "happy" ending, or continuance, that I didn't want to "end" it from my end. I didn't want to just close the door (on someone who disappeared, or didn't treat me well). I didn't want all the friends to be right when they said "you should just move on" and "he's a jerk". I wanted the psychics who said "he'll be back" to be right. And when I'd lose hope or faith I'd call again to get reassurance, have someone to talk to who wouldn't judge me. And I did have a therapist, too, it just wasn't the same.
And they were right, in the long run. He did come back.... but never in the way that I wanted. That I really needed, in a way that made my heart happy, never at the same level that it was at when it was "good". I wanted to be those stories where the person comes back, and they work it out, and get married. You know? The exception. That's what I hoped for.
Maybe, it's what all of us who come here, secretly hope for. That we can be the exception. That our story is different. That our guy, our connection with the guy (or girl!) was and is special, is really different, it's not what it looks like, it was real, we weren't fooled, we didn't get played, we didn't waste all of our time.
...but sometimes people just... well, suck. And sometimes the best they can do, isn't even close to what's good enough for you.
Here's the thing though. Life does go on. It does get better. But you have to shift your focus and actively seek out and find things that will make you happy - and make it NOT about a relationship. And make big changes if you have to.
I can likely bet you (general, not specifically to anyone here) that the reason you are seeking so much from someone else happiness wise is because you are missing something within yourself. That the reason you want to know so much about what happens tomorrow is because when you really think about it, you don't like your TODAY. So you want out of TODAY by hearing about tomorrow.
I'm now in a place where I've basically closed the door on dating completely. And I'm 100% okay with it. I'd just rather not be hurt, not put myself out there, not have another guy get my hopes up and then disappear. The last guy (not the original guy), I really do hope he comes back, but I'm also pursuing something down a completely different road, that I will be pretty happy about if he does come back or doesn't. Sad and disappointed if he never does? Sure. But hey, that's life. It doesn't always work out in our favor. *Especially* when you're relying or counting on someone else for something!
That's why it's so special when it finally does happen. <3 And love and support comes in all forms - not just romantically. Friends, family. For me personally, I finally learned that if it hurts to touch a hot burner - you stop touching the hot burner!!! LOL
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I'm with you sunshineluv7. I'm glad i have a successful career to fuel all these readings. But since i won't travel as much for work anymore, I'm seriously thinking about getting a part time job this holiday season just to get back all the money i spent on calling psychics.
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I've done that several times. And at the end of the month when I do my finances I say holy shit, $1200 on readings? REALLY? But, the money is gone. And so I haven't dwelled on it. I've just been thankful that I've been able to scrape by even with a pretty successful career, but I should be so much better off financially than I am currently because of this "coping habit" I fell into.
And then I remember something one of the biggest personal finance people said, which is it's really hard to get your personal finances on track when you have a broken heart. I was like - hell. yah. Unfortunately, I seemed to want to stay in these hot and cold will he / wont he situations.
For me, I wanted so badly for it to have a "happy" ending, or continuance, that I didn't want to "end" it from my end. I didn't want to just close the door (on someone who disappeared, or didn't treat me well). I didn't want all the friends to be right when they said "you should just move on" and "he's a jerk". I wanted the psychics who said "he'll be back" to be right. And when I'd lose hope or faith I'd call again to get reassurance, have someone to talk to who wouldn't judge me. And I did have a therapist, too, it just wasn't the same.
And they were right, in the long run. He did come back.... but never in the way that I wanted. That I really needed, in a way that made my heart happy, never at the same level that it was at when it was "good". I wanted to be those stories where the person comes back, and they work it out, and get married. You know? The exception. That's what I hoped for.
Maybe, it's what all of us who come here, secretly hope for. That we can be the exception. That our story is different. That our guy, our connection with the guy (or girl!) was and is special, is really different, it's not what it looks like, it was real, we weren't fooled, we didn't get played, we didn't waste all of our time.
...but sometimes people just... well, suck. And sometimes the best they can do, isn't even close to what's good enough for you.
Here's the thing though. Life does go on. It does get better. But you have to shift your focus and actively seek out and find things that will make you happy - and make it NOT about a relationship. And make big changes if you have to.
I can likely bet you (general, not specifically to anyone here) that the reason you are seeking so much from someone else happiness wise is because you are missing something within yourself. That the reason you want to know so much about what happens tomorrow is because when you really think about it, you don't like your TODAY. So you want out of TODAY by hearing about tomorrow.
I'm now in a place where I've basically closed the door on dating completely. And I'm 100% okay with it. I'd just rather not be hurt, not put myself out there, not have another guy get my hopes up and then disappear. The last guy (not the original guy), I really do hope he comes back, but I'm also pursuing something down a completely different road, that I will be pretty happy about if he does come back or doesn't. Sad and disappointed if he never does? Sure. But hey, that's life. It doesn't always work out in our favor. *Especially* when you're relying or counting on someone else for something!
That's why it's so special when it finally does happen. <3 And love and support comes in all forms - not just romantically. Friends, family. For me personally, I finally learned that if it hurts to touch a hot burner - you stop touching the hot burner!!! LOL
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Great post!!
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My binges were never ... like more than $50 a pop. Sometimes I'd end up on a $100 call if it was a favorite reader. But to me and at my income level (which I've very fortunate to have), I really didn't think twice about spending $50 or $100 here or there. I just wasn't thinking rationally because I was so upset about how many times I was doing it... it only takes 10 calls at $100 to reach $1000. or 20 at $50. But for me on the bad month it would go like this:
I'd have one reader who i thought was great who would become like a mom figure (i didn't really have a healthy mom figure in my life), and end up spending like a half hour, hour on the phone with crying my eyes out. There's $150-$300. SHIT, I'd think. But that's one day, 30 min or an hour. As we know, deep heartache isn't over that fast. So then a few random chats/calls, at $30-$50 a pop. Then, maybe I have one or two other readers who I trust, not as much but more - and they are also on higher end, so $50-$100 once or twice over the month.
And I'd do like, mostly bitwine, maybe one or two keen calls, maybe a call to AV/Gaylene (who doesn't work for me, sadly), maybe an email with Kisha....
it just adds up, but it's never like, "Oh, I'm going to spend $500 today"
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So true. I'm lucky that I make a good living , as well...but I think back to all the money I spent on readings, and say to myself, was it worth it? It wasn't...
That money could have been spent on much better things, or saved...
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i've learned to be truthful about the reality of the situation. i'll go on a "bender" myself so I need to boobie trap my finances to protect myself from my self. Sad, but true. I pay all my bills the minute I get funds, cut up my credit cards with larger limits and spend all my money on bills and putting it into places I can't get to.
The sooner one faces the reality of what one can or cannot handle, the better. If one cannot admit one has a problem, one cannot find a solution.
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It's true. I still pay all my bills. I just... don't get as far towards my financial goals as I'd like beyond the month to month. And grow some debt sometimes as opposed to using cash. Instead of some savings. If that makes sense.
Can't cut up cards becasue I do travel for work and sometimes have to put out several thousand dollars on business travel
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Oh yes I binged and no matter what anyone told me, reconnection or no reconnection my heart wouldn't stop believing in the reconnection. It was pointless if I knew what I wanted and could care less about what anyone said, Mr. New Guy was supposed to arrive in July (its almost October... what?!) I hated that I wasted so much money (I don't even think these readers were even accurate!)
I go on a calling spree when I'm super sad or feeling anxious, it's almost a welcome relief to be able to openly talk about what's bothering us to strangers who can't really judge us or whose opinions don't really matter. The problem is they are charging us by the MINUTE at pretty pricy rates and the odds of them being accurate are pretty small.
I've had days when I was on the phone w different psychics on CP for 4-6 hours straight calling one after another! I've had mornings when I was off, I was binge chatting with readers online for HOURS.. it was super disgusting how much money I wasted. I literally could've gone on vacation w the amount of money I wasted :( my worst was back in January through June immediately after I got dumped.
Lately I've been taking myself to the nearest Ulta and buying myself face masques, bathbombs, body scrubs, etc.. a nice bottle of wine from the liquor store and then I go home and take a nice long hot bath with some sea salt+ kelp scented candles burning while sipping some moscato... it's so much more relieving than talking to strangers out to get my $$ who have no solid proof of what will happen tomorrow. I'm happier spending money to beautify myself because it makes me feel better and it's an investment going towards me :)
Just go to the gym or pamper yourself when you're feeling like this. You need to go within and love yourself because you need it the most around this time. But don't worry we have been there too!
I'm definitely limiting my readings now because it doesn't matter anymore... in my heart I know what I want and that's it. I'm still open to other options but I'll find out on my own thanks. Don't be hard on yourself 😘 Next time you feel like binging post here too ;)
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Yeah, I totally agree with this: "I go on a calling spree when I'm super sad or feeling anxious, it's almost a welcome relief to be able to openly talk about what's bothering us to strangers who can't really judge us or whose opinions don't really matter."
You don't have to face them the next day with bawling your eyes out on the phone, or see the pity looks, or have them ask you "any word from so and so" and all that.
I like the shopping spree idea... but I turned that way and I'm not sure it's any better. Because now I have some great stuff, and I do feel better about myself because I invested in myself, but I still did end up going back to psychics when the next guy did hurt me again. But now, I'm over it. Mostly.
Shrug. :)
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Still tired and Sunshineluv7 it's so true binge purchasing can become the next addiction!! Lol!! Not gonna lie, I was hesitant to mention the wine in my previous post because there's even a possibility of becoming an alcoholic if one isn't careful. I forgot to mention I bought a lot of make up but hey now at least I have an excuse to doll up lol.. btw Do you want to sell me your jewelry Still Tired? 😜😜😜 As long as we learn our lessons I think that's what matters :) Good for you for getting over it mostly Sunshineluv7, take your time 💖 Sometimes Im over him other days I go back to wondering what if.. one day at a time I suppose.
It's true material items can't replace the ones we miss, but I'm not sure if I feel better giving away money to readers either. I feel even worse when I see the reading didn't pass yet I spent $80 like it was nothing -_-... yet when I'm at the mall I'm hesitant to buy those shoes for $80 sometimes for example. Everyone copes differently I suppose :) but yes sometimes I am glad for those readings because even the negative readings made me reach out to my POI and apologize. They got me thinning about how I could change. The positive readings gave me some hope and I liked that too.
Heartbreak as an adult sucks, I'm really going to take my time next time the opportunity for love arrives!
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i've learned that calling begets calling. period. when you're in that mood and make the first call the others come rolling in after. i wanted to call a regular tonight but i stopped myself because i thought if i make this one call i'll want to make more and it's kind of pointless. no one has really been right anyway. and the more i call the more wrong they get...
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You guys are awesome! Love this thread..
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i've learned that calling begets calling. period. when you're in that mood and make the first call the others come rolling in after. i wanted to call a regular tonight but i stopped myself because i thought if i make this one call i'll want to make more and it's kind of pointless. no one has really been right anyway. and the more i call the more wrong they get...
It has only been like that for me when I talked to bad readers...the better ones would give me enough peace of mind to where I wouldn't need to keep calling. Some of my past regulars were really bad readers I just didn't know it yet and they left me feeling unsettled and craving more answers.
you know what you're right. same for me, too.
i had a reader in the past that would try to make me afraid so i would spend more money. i knew he was doing it but i still spent the money because he was a good reader otherwise and i wanted the answers. that was really... karmically probably really bad for that reader.
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I think keen needs to be mandated to allow a person to spend no more than 500 per month. And it should be like they should be able to track this person uniquely by the credit card name he uses and IP address both, not just by user name. Because when I am desperate enough due to bad circumstances, I can even sign up with two different accounts on keen and spend 1000.
I really think there has to be a legal mandate on keen here, it is very important to understand that this can be an addiction for people who are vulnerable enough to depend on psychics at the time of need. And when the dark times hit, we do not understand and will power does not hold strong during those times. It is so important for someone to revolutionize this concept, take keen to court and get this thing mandated. They earn their bread and butter on our miseries!
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I think keen needs to be mandated to allow a person to spend no more than 500 per month. And it should be like they should be able to track this person uniquely by the credit card name he uses and IP address both, not just by user name. Because when I am desperate enough due to bad circumstances, I can even sign up with two different accounts on keen and spend 1000.
I really think there has to be a legal mandate on keen here, it is very important to understand that this can be an addiction for people who are vulnerable enough to depend on psychics at the time of need. And when the dark times hit, we do not understand and will power does not hold strong during those times. It is so important for someone to revolutionize this concept, take keen to court and get this thing mandated. They earn their bread and butter on our miseries!
I actually don't agree with this. We're adults with free will and free choices. It's Keen's right to take our money if we're willing to spend it. Same thing with cigarettes, alcohol, casinos, etc. We can't blame Keen for our bad spending habits. Really!
Others would argue "why can't I spend as much as I want? it's my money!". Also, $500 is small to some people and very large to others.
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I think keen needs to be mandated to allow a person to spend no more than 500 per month. And it should be like they should be able to track this person uniquely by the credit card name he uses and IP address both, not just by user name. Because when I am desperate enough due to bad circumstances, I can even sign up with two different accounts on keen and spend 1000.
I really think there has to be a legal mandate on keen here, it is very important to understand that this can be an addiction for people who are vulnerable enough to depend on psychics at the time of need. And when the dark times hit, we do not understand and will power does not hold strong during those times. It is so important for someone to revolutionize this concept, take keen to court and get this thing mandated. They earn their bread and butter on our miseries!
Addiction is a terrible thing but there is no way in Hell that anyone with an ounce of sense in their head would allow the government to dictate how they can spend their money on a legal activity. Do you really not want to have independent control over how, when, where and what you spend your money on?
What's next? Purchases at Macy's are limited to $400 a month, Sephora $350, Vet bills are limited to $200 a month, McDonald's $2,000, and Green Grocer $1.50. Lobbyists would pretty much run the economy on behalf of whatever corporations paid the most.
Get all your card numbers changed and have a trusted friend or family member hold them for you and not allow you access to them unless they are with you. And go to see a therapist to help deal with it and find out why you do it and do the work to stop it. Maybe medication would help. Or learning how to redirect your urges. You can't expect the government to control your spending and blame others for letting you do it. There are ways to overcome this. People will help you.
And it's not like I'm so perfect. I go for years without calling at all or just a couple short calls a year to ask a quick question, and then something that pushes every button I have will happen and I go on a short binge. I did that earlier this year. My last binge was around 2003. I'm not happy with myself when I think about what I spent, but I can handle it financially. That doesn't make it ok with me because I'm disappointed with myself for being out of control. I know where that can lead me.
I used to have a weight problem, a really bad one. I was so out of control it wasn't funny. I was also a binge eater who was so bad that there were times when I would literally drop my grocery bags in the middle of the parking lot, grab a quart of ice cream, rip off the top and literally shove my face in it to eat it. I could eat a dozen donuts in less than a minute. Two large pizzas would take me about 15 minutes. It took a lot of suffering and heartache on my part before I finally confronted my problem and dealt with it, and it didn't get fixed overnight. Now I'm super healthy and a size 00. Sometimes I overindulge a little bit, but it's a normal choice, like a cookie or something. I'm not going into a feeding frenzy like a wild animal and then trying to hide the evidence before anyone finds out any more. I didn't hope that the government would pass a law limiting donut purchases to 2 a week and volunteer to have myself and my spending tracked by my IP address and credit card number.
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I think keen needs to be mandated to allow a person to spend no more than 500 per month. And it should be like they should be able to track this person uniquely by the credit card name he uses and IP address both, not just by user name. Because when I am desperate enough due to bad circumstances, I can even sign up with two different accounts on keen and spend 1000.
I really think there has to be a legal mandate on keen here, it is very important to understand that this can be an addiction for people who are vulnerable enough to depend on psychics at the time of need. And when the dark times hit, we do not understand and will power does not hold strong during those times. It is so important for someone to revolutionize this concept, take keen to court and get this thing mandated. They earn their bread and butter on our miseries!
I actually don't agree with this. We're adults with free will and free choices. It's Keen's right to take our money if we're willing to spend it. Same thing with cigarettes, alcohol, casinos, etc. We can't blame Keen for our bad spending habits. Really!
Others would argue "why can't I spend as much as I want? it's my money!". Also, $500 is small to some people and very large to others.
Probably the vast majority of money spent on Keen is on credit cards. That's not the person's own money, it is the bank's money. The credit card companies should be putting spending limits on pay per minute services based on the person's income and credit history. People should not have the right to put whatever they want on credit.
They DO put limits on people's spending habits based upon credit history. That is what a credit limit is for. People SHOULD have the right to spend their money as they wish. We aren't victims nor children. Just because we have been irresponsible doesn't mean somebody should babysit us. That is what is called self-control. If you don't have it, cut up the cards.
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I think keen needs to be mandated to allow a person to spend no more than 500 per month. And it should be like they should be able to track this person uniquely by the credit card name he uses and IP address both, not just by user name. Because when I am desperate enough due to bad circumstances, I can even sign up with two different accounts on keen and spend 1000.
I really think there has to be a legal mandate on keen here, it is very important to understand that this can be an addiction for people who are vulnerable enough to depend on psychics at the time of need. And when the dark times hit, we do not understand and will power does not hold strong during those times. It is so important for someone to revolutionize this concept, take keen to court and get this thing mandated. They earn their bread and butter on our miseries!
I actually don't agree with this. We're adults with free will and free choices. It's Keen's right to take our money if we're willing to spend it. Same thing with cigarettes, alcohol, casinos, etc. We can't blame Keen for our bad spending habits. Really!
Others would argue "why can't I spend as much as I want? it's my money!". Also, $500 is small to some people and very large to others.
Probably the vast majority of money spent on Keen is on credit cards. That's not the person's own money, it is the bank's money. The credit card companies should be putting spending limits on pay per minute services based on the person's income and credit history. People should not have the right to put whatever they want on credit.
So you don't pay your credit card bill with "real" money? What does your credit card issuer accept as payment? Monopoly money?
I don't know about you, but when I pay Amex and everyone else every month, real money comes out of my checking account to pay them. Real money that I earned from my real job.
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I think keen needs to be mandated to allow a person to spend no more than 500 per month. And it should be like they should be able to track this person uniquely by the credit card name he uses and IP address both, not just by user name. Because when I am desperate enough due to bad circumstances, I can even sign up with two different accounts on keen and spend 1000.
I really think there has to be a legal mandate on keen here, it is very important to understand that this can be an addiction for people who are vulnerable enough to depend on psychics at the time of need. And when the dark times hit, we do not understand and will power does not hold strong during those times. It is so important for someone to revolutionize this concept, take keen to court and get this thing mandated. They earn their bread and butter on our miseries!
I actually don't agree with this. We're adults with free will and free choices. It's Keen's right to take our money if we're willing to spend it. Same thing with cigarettes, alcohol, casinos, etc. We can't blame Keen for our bad spending habits. Really!
Others would argue "why can't I spend as much as I want? it's my money!". Also, $500 is small to some people and very large to others.
Totally agree... WE are the ones spending the money. We are the ones with a problem. WE have to hold ourselves accountable. STOP blaming others. IT isn't Keen's fault we run ourselves into debt talking to Psychics. Until we accept our roles and responsibilities and hold ourselves accountable - we won't do anything about it. I'm angry at myself that I have blown SOOOO much money. I am not an "addictive" personality. HOWEVER, I am addicted to psychics. I come from a long history of all sorts of abuse - It is so hard for me to not being in control of everything around me... I miss my POI so much and can't understand why someone would run away from something so amazing (and our relationship really was). I want to know that he is working through the things he needs to work through - I want to know that he will be back. I am slowly learning to keep my trust in God (which is my belief) - as far as my POI - I have done everything I can for him and it really just have to let go and let GOD..... I have added some funds and waiting for a reading with Judi - I have deleted my payment options on keen, so hopefully that will discourage ME from continuing to read....
BUT It isn't up to Keen to stop me... IT is up to ME to stop me!!
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I think keen needs to be mandated to allow a person to spend no more than 500 per month. And it should be like they should be able to track this person uniquely by the credit card name he uses and IP address both, not just by user name. Because when I am desperate enough due to bad circumstances, I can even sign up with two different accounts on keen and spend 1000.
I really think there has to be a legal mandate on keen here, it is very important to understand that this can be an addiction for people who are vulnerable enough to depend on psychics at the time of need. And when the dark times hit, we do not understand and will power does not hold strong during those times. It is so important for someone to revolutionize this concept, take keen to court and get this thing mandated. They earn their bread and butter on our miseries!
I actually don't agree with this. We're adults with free will and free choices. It's Keen's right to take our money if we're willing to spend it. Same thing with cigarettes, alcohol, casinos, etc. We can't blame Keen for our bad spending habits. Really!
Others would argue "why can't I spend as much as I want? it's my money!". Also, $500 is small to some people and very large to others.
Probably the vast majority of money spent on Keen is on credit cards. That's not the person's own money, it is the bank's money. The credit card companies should be putting spending limits on pay per minute services based on the person's income and credit history. People should not have the right to put whatever they want on credit.
They DO put limits on people's spending habits based upon credit history. That is what a credit limit is for. People SHOULD have the right to spend their money as they wish. We aren't victims nor children. Just because we have been irresponsible doesn't mean somebody should babysit us. That is what is called self-control. If you don't have it, cut up the cards.
gotta own up and take responsibilities for our own lives. spending excessive money is not the credit card company's fault.
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I think keen needs to be mandated to allow a person to spend no more than 500 per month. And it should be like they should be able to track this person uniquely by the credit card name he uses and IP address both, not just by user name. Because when I am desperate enough due to bad circumstances, I can even sign up with two different accounts on keen and spend 1000.
I really think there has to be a legal mandate on keen here, it is very important to understand that this can be an addiction for people who are vulnerable enough to depend on psychics at the time of need. And when the dark times hit, we do not understand and will power does not hold strong during those times. It is so important for someone to revolutionize this concept, take keen to court and get this thing mandated. They earn their bread and butter on our miseries!
I actually don't agree with this. We're adults with free will and free choices. It's Keen's right to take our money if we're willing to spend it. Same thing with cigarettes, alcohol, casinos, etc. We can't blame Keen for our bad spending habits. Really!
Others would argue "why can't I spend as much as I want? it's my money!". Also, $500 is small to some people and very large to others.
Totally agree... WE are the ones spending the money. We are the ones with a problem. WE have to hold ourselves accountable. STOP blaming others. IT isn't Keen's fault we run ourselves into debt talking to Psychics. Until we accept our roles and responsibilities and hold ourselves accountable - we won't do anything about it. I'm angry at myself that I have blown SOOOO much money. I am not an "addictive" personality. HOWEVER, I am addicted to psychics. I come from a long history of all sorts of abuse - It is so hard for me to not being in control of everything around me... I miss my POI so much and can't understand why someone would run away from something so amazing (and our relationship really was). I want to know that he is working through the things he needs to work through - I want to know that he will be back. I am slowly learning to keep my trust in God (which is my belief) - as far as my POI - I have done everything I can for him and it really just have to let go and let GOD..... I have added some funds and waiting for a reading with Judi - I have deleted my payment options on keen, so hopefully that will discourage ME from continuing to read....
BUT It isn't up to Keen to stop me... IT is up to ME to stop me!!
100% agree.
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This psychic line called thecircle.com or what used to be called, had a mandate of $500 or something max per month. That I know because I used to use that service long ago. It is UK based service. Why did they have the mandate? Because they care. They care about the customers, about their spending. They understand that when we are being let down by someone, how it feels, where can will power fly away, and how can that take a toll on our debts because we want to hear something positive from someone during those times.
Like alcohol has an age limit, like marijuana has limitations, so should these addiction-based services have restriction.
Why is it so difficult to understand that keen makes money off of a person's misery, their immediate distress. Otherwise they have no income.
I dont see how I can control credit card's transaction via keen but yes they should have a limit too for such services. Someone has to take charge for these addiction based services, one day it will happen. And trust me, that will be for our best. Much better than realising that we spent say $15000 on keen readings instead of having it in savings!
And for those who want to spend more than $500 per month (and 500 is an arbitrary number), yes they should be allowed but it should not be made easy for them either. Just for example. I am thinking out loud anyways.
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This psychic line called thecircle.com or what used to be called, had a mandate of $500 or something max per month. That I know because I used to use that service long ago. It is UK based service. Why did they have the mandate? Because they care. They care about the customers, about their spending. They understand that when we are being let down by someone, how it feels, where can will power fly away, and how can that take a toll on our debts because we want to hear something positive from someone during those times.
Like alcohol has an age limit, like marijuana has limitations, so should these addiction-based services have restriction.
Why is it so difficult to understand that keen makes money off of a person's misery, their immediate distress. Otherwise they have no income.
I dont see how I can control credit card's transaction via keen but yes they should have a limit too for such services. Someone has to take charge for these addiction based services, one day it will happen. And trust me, that will be for our best. Much better than realising that we spent say $15000 on keen readings instead of having it in savings!
And for those who want to spend more than $500 per month (and 500 is an arbitrary number), yes they should be allowed but it should not be made easy for them either. Just for example. I am thinking out loud anyways.
I'm not saying that it wouldn't be good thing to have that cap. And for the companies that do, good on them. BUT the responsibility still falls on us. AND I am just as guilty as most on this site of not being able to control myself. I seriously hope that by deleting my cards off of Keen that it will make it more difficult in my moment of need - having to go find a card (that isn't maxed) and enter in the details just go into a reading. Luckily - I am in Canada, so my paypal doesn't work on Keen...
I really should put my credit cards in a ziplock bag of water and put them into the freezer so I really don't have access... Which... I think I just might do when I get home ;)
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This psychic line called thecircle.com or what used to be called, had a mandate of $500 or something max per month. That I know because I used to use that service long ago. It is UK based service. Why did they have the mandate? Because they care. They care about the customers, about their spending. They understand that when we are being let down by someone, how it feels, where can will power fly away, and how can that take a toll on our debts because we want to hear something positive from someone during those times.
Like alcohol has an age limit, like marijuana has limitations, so should these addiction-based services have restriction.
Why is it so difficult to understand that keen makes money off of a person's misery, their immediate distress. Otherwise they have no income.
I dont see how I can control credit card's transaction via keen but yes they should have a limit too for such services. Someone has to take charge for these addiction based services, one day it will happen. And trust me, that will be for our best. Much better than realising that we spent say $15000 on keen readings instead of having it in savings!
And for those who want to spend more than $500 per month (and 500 is an arbitrary number), yes they should be allowed but it should not be made easy for them either. Just for example. I am thinking out loud anyways.
We're not victims. I really don't mean this in a mean way, but if you can't accept responsibility for your own behaviors, you'll probably be addicted for a very long time. Example: if an alcoholic can't admit he/she has a problem he probably will be an alcoholic for a long time.
You can't blame the freedom allowed by our financial system for your spending woes.
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This psychic line called thecircle.com or what used to be called, had a mandate of $500 or something max per month. That I know because I used to use that service long ago. It is UK based service. Why did they have the mandate? Because they care. They care about the customers, about their spending. They understand that when we are being let down by someone, how it feels, where can will power fly away, and how can that take a toll on our debts because we want to hear something positive from someone during those times.
Like alcohol has an age limit, like marijuana has limitations, so should these addiction-based services have restriction.
Why is it so difficult to understand that keen makes money off of a person's misery, their immediate distress. Otherwise they have no income.
I dont see how I can control credit card's transaction via keen but yes they should have a limit too for such services. Someone has to take charge for these addiction based services, one day it will happen. And trust me, that will be for our best. Much better than realising that we spent say $15000 on keen readings instead of having it in savings!
And for those who want to spend more than $500 per month (and 500 is an arbitrary number), yes they should be allowed but it should not be made easy for them either. Just for example. I am thinking out loud anyways.
I'm not saying that it wouldn't be good thing to have that cap. And for the companies that do, good on them. BUT the responsibility still falls on us. AND I am just as guilty as most on this site of not being able to control myself. I seriously hope that by deleting my cards off of Keen that it will make it more difficult in my moment of need - having to go find a card (that isn't maxed) and enter in the details just go into a reading. Luckily - I am in Canada, so my paypal doesn't work on Keen...
I really should put my credit cards in a ziplock bag of water and put them into the freezer so I really don't have access... Which... I think I just might do when I get home ;)
100% agree again.
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This psychic line called thecircle.com or what used to be called, had a mandate of $500 or something max per month. That I know because I used to use that service long ago. It is UK based service. Why did they have the mandate? Because they care. They care about the customers, about their spending. They understand that when we are being let down by someone, how it feels, where can will power fly away, and how can that take a toll on our debts because we want to hear something positive from someone during those times.
Like alcohol has an age limit, like marijuana has limitations, so should these addiction-based services have restriction.
Why is it so difficult to understand that keen makes money off of a person's misery, their immediate distress. Otherwise they have no income.
I dont see how I can control credit card's transaction via keen but yes they should have a limit too for such services. Someone has to take charge for these addiction based services, one day it will happen. And trust me, that will be for our best. Much better than realising that we spent say $15000 on keen readings instead of having it in savings!
And for those who want to spend more than $500 per month (and 500 is an arbitrary number), yes they should be allowed but it should not be made easy for them either. Just for example. I am thinking out loud anyways.
We're not victims. I really don't mean this in a mean way, but if you can't accept responsibility for your own behaviors, you'll probably be addicted for a very long time. Example: if an alcoholic can't admit he/she has a problem he probably will be an alcoholic for a long time.
You can't blame the freedom allowed by our financial system for your spending woes.
YESS!!!!!! Exactly!!!!
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Do you think everyone who runs up their cards actually pays them off responsibly? It affects the whole financial system and hurts everyone when people run up debts they can't possibly pay back. Keen gets their money, but the credit card company may not. It would be better for the credit card companies to watch spending on pay per minute sites and cap spending if it starts to get out of control, and they have the total right to do that because it is THEIR money.
Seriously? You don't understand how getting credit works? If you don't qualify, you don't get it.
If I wanted to spend $100,000 on gumballs next month and then default, I could. Why don't I? Because I am a responsible person with no mental health issues and I take responsibility for my actions.
The credit card company doesn't, and never ever should, be allowed to choose where my money goes. And yes, it is my money. I pay the bill. I've signed and pledged responsibility for payment in my agreement. If I want to spend it on gumballs, Keen, hats for my cats, a trip, whatever the hell I want, it's my choice. And defaulting? It's a business. It's calculated into their business formula.
I'm not 5 years old or an idiot. I don't need someone going through my Target transaction Big Brother style before it's "approved", going "tut, tut ... you've reached the citizen quota on placemats! I'm going to have to say no to that! Another pair of socks? My, my. Three more pairs and we won't be able to approve any more until next year dear."
If you need someone to monitor your spending, petition the court to have a conservator or guardian appointed to handle your finances. A credit card company isn't responsible for your actions.
What's next? Blame your cell phone carrier because you get unlimited talk time and that made you do it?
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This psychic line called thecircle.com or what used to be called, had a mandate of $500 or something max per month. That I know because I used to use that service long ago. It is UK based service. Why did they have the mandate? Because they care. They care about the customers, about their spending. They understand that when we are being let down by someone, how it feels, where can will power fly away, and how can that take a toll on our debts because we want to hear something positive from someone during those times.
Like alcohol has an age limit, like marijuana has limitations, so should these addiction-based services have restriction.
Why is it so difficult to understand that keen makes money off of a person's misery, their immediate distress. Otherwise they have no income.
I dont see how I can control credit card's transaction via keen but yes they should have a limit too for such services. Someone has to take charge for these addiction based services, one day it will happen. And trust me, that will be for our best. Much better than realising that we spent say $15000 on keen readings instead of having it in savings!
And for those who want to spend more than $500 per month (and 500 is an arbitrary number), yes they should be allowed but it should not be made easy for them either. Just for example. I am thinking out loud anyways.
We're not victims. I really don't mean this in a mean way, but if you can't accept responsibility for your own behaviors, you'll probably be addicted for a very long time. Example: if an alcoholic can't admit he/she has a problem he probably will be an alcoholic for a long time.
You can't blame the freedom allowed by our financial system for your spending woes.
YESS!!!!!! Exactly!!!!
Soooo... wondering your thoughts on this: what if the financial institution allows you to go significantly over your spending limit?
That's my situation. I totally agree that we are responsible for the spending. That said, after 30+ years of building great credit and being a super responsible person :D I went out of control with psychic calling and maxed my credit card. But it didn't end there, because my bank allowed me to go 50% over and above my credit limit -- and my limit was high! I didn't catch it until I came out of my temporary insanity. Still -- I do feel it's 100% my responsibility, but a friend suggested I could take it up with the bank that they allowed me to keep spending after I'd reached and exceeded my limit. The bank says they have that discretion for valued customers... but that I can take it up with credit card services if I choose to. I haven't decided if I will ... but am considering it.
Interestingly, keen was able to keep charging my card while california psychics was not.
Thoughts?
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This psychic line called thecircle.com or what used to be called, had a mandate of $500 or something max per month. That I know because I used to use that service long ago. It is UK based service. Why did they have the mandate? Because they care.
They aren't doing it because they care. They are doing it lessen chargebacks.
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I've known of some other platforms that had a similar mandate when people were over charging to their house phones (before mobiles of course). I doubt they still have it though with the use of credit cards.
I don't use my credit card for readings. I almost always use readers/platforms who accept Paypal. It is direct cash.
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Interestingly, keen was able to keep charging my card while california psychics was not.
Thoughts?
Over the limit transactions from merchants that have been flagged as risky (such as casinos) are denied by a lot of card issuers. But, depending on the issuer and your rating and history, you may have a green light, i.e. you go to Vegas a lot, spend a lot and pay your 15k bill in full and on time every month. CP may be flagged for over limit transactions on your card issuers list.
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But the very least they could do is add features that help us track and limit our own spending. If we pay a premium for their service, why not? But that would reduce their profits so they will never do it willingly.
The DO have that feature.
Click on Transaction Details and your transaction summary for the current month will come up. Use the drop down box to view your monthly transaction history for the prior 13 months.
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According to an act passed in 2009 (assuming you are in the US) they are not supposed to allow you to charge over your limit unless you have opted in to that feature and agreed to it.
Thanks. Something to look into... I have a feeling it may be somewhere in my financial institution's fine print, but I'll see.
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But the very least they could do is add features that help us track and limit our own spending. If we pay a premium for their service, why not? But that would reduce their profits so they will never do it willingly.
The DO have that feature.
Click on Transaction Details and your transaction summary for the current month will come up. Use the drop down box to view your monthly transaction history for the prior 13 months.
Nope. I am talking about having a features where you can set specific spending limits, per month, per transaction, and then when you reach that limit you can choose to get a warning message or be completely cut off. It would be the customer's choice. And as I mentioned before, also a waiting period before you are allowed to change preset limits so people can't do it impulsively.
They could also put easier ways to see how much you've spent, total, per month, year, or for the life of your account without digging through each transaction.
This is YOUR job, not the credit card company's.
I really can't sit here and read this thread anymore. Blaming the ccard companies because you can't control your spending habits is a whole other issue separate from being addicted to psychic readings.
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Yeah, you're obviously not really resding the thread or understanding what some of us are talking about because your responses are way off. I wasn't even talking about credit card companies there, I was talking about Keen adding features that would help people track their spending. Most credit card companies in fact have features like that. I don't know where you see all this stuff about blaming credit card companies or whatever else you keep reacting to.
take the words "the ccard companies" and replace with "keen". same applies.
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If you want to limit yourself... do this.
Go buy yourself a pre-paid Visa gift card. Use that as your payment method.
Done. :)
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This psychic line called thecircle.com or what used to be called, had a mandate of $500 or something max per month. That I know because I used to use that service long ago. It is UK based service. Why did they have the mandate? Because they care. They care about the customers, about their spending. They understand that when we are being let down by someone, how it feels, where can will power fly away, and how can that take a toll on our debts because we want to hear something positive from someone during those times.
Like alcohol has an age limit, like marijuana has limitations, so should these addiction-based services have restriction.
Why is it so difficult to understand that keen makes money off of a person's misery, their immediate distress. Otherwise they have no income.
I dont see how I can control credit card's transaction via keen but yes they should have a limit too for such services. Someone has to take charge for these addiction based services, one day it will happen. And trust me, that will be for our best. Much better than realising that we spent say $15000 on keen readings instead of having it in savings!
And for those who want to spend more than $500 per month (and 500 is an arbitrary number), yes they should be allowed but it should not be made easy for them either. Just for example. I am thinking out loud anyways.
We're not victims. I really don't mean this in a mean way, but if you can't accept responsibility for your own behaviors, you'll probably be addicted for a very long time. Example: if an alcoholic can't admit he/she has a problem he probably will be an alcoholic for a long time.
You can't blame the freedom allowed by our financial system for your spending woes.
YESS!!!!!! Exactly!!!!
Soooo... wondering your thoughts on this: what if the financial institution allows you to go significantly over your spending limit?
That's my situation. I totally agree that we are responsible for the spending. That said, after 30+ years of building great credit and being a super responsible person :D I went out of control with psychic calling and maxed my credit card. But it didn't end there, because my bank allowed me to go 50% over and above my credit limit -- and my limit was high! I didn't catch it until I came out of my temporary insanity. Still -- I do feel it's 100% my responsibility, but a friend suggested I could take it up with the bank that they allowed me to keep spending after I'd reached and exceeded my limit. The bank says they have that discretion for valued customers... but that I can take it up with credit card services if I choose to. I haven't decided if I will ... but am considering it.
Interestingly, keen was able to keep charging my card while california psychics was not.
Thoughts?
Mine did, just recently actually... I knew I was over... I kept using it. Now I have a HUGE minimum payment to make. So I have made a huge chunk of it.... I will pay the rest before the due date. Not the banks fault... IT is MINE...
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This psychic line called thecircle.com or what used to be called, had a mandate of $500 or something max per month. That I know because I used to use that service long ago. It is UK based service. Why did they have the mandate? Because they care. They care about the customers, about their spending. They understand that when we are being let down by someone, how it feels, where can will power fly away, and how can that take a toll on our debts because we want to hear something positive from someone during those times.
Like alcohol has an age limit, like marijuana has limitations, so should these addiction-based services have restriction.
Why is it so difficult to understand that keen makes money off of a person's misery, their immediate distress. Otherwise they have no income.
I dont see how I can control credit card's transaction via keen but yes they should have a limit too for such services. Someone has to take charge for these addiction based services, one day it will happen. And trust me, that will be for our best. Much better than realising that we spent say $15000 on keen readings instead of having it in savings!
And for those who want to spend more than $500 per month (and 500 is an arbitrary number), yes they should be allowed but it should not be made easy for them either. Just for example. I am thinking out loud anyways.
We're not victims. I really don't mean this in a mean way, but if you can't accept responsibility for your own behaviors, you'll probably be addicted for a very long time. Example: if an alcoholic can't admit he/she has a problem he probably will be an alcoholic for a long time.
You can't blame the freedom allowed by our financial system for your spending woes.
YESS!!!!!! Exactly!!!!
Soooo... wondering your thoughts on this: what if the financial institution allows you to go significantly over your spending limit?
That's my situation. I totally agree that we are responsible for the spending. That said, after 30+ years of building great credit and being a super responsible person :D I went out of control with psychic calling and maxed my credit card. But it didn't end there, because my bank allowed me to go 50% over and above my credit limit -- and my limit was high! I didn't catch it until I came out of my temporary insanity. Still -- I do feel it's 100% my responsibility, but a friend suggested I could take it up with the bank that they allowed me to keep spending after I'd reached and exceeded my limit. The bank says they have that discretion for valued customers... but that I can take it up with credit card services if I choose to. I haven't decided if I will ... but am considering it.
Interestingly, keen was able to keep charging my card while california psychics was not.
Thoughts?
Gosh I missed all of this, see this is so true. You have everything going, great money, great credit, then suddenly something terrible happens and we start the binge. So the banks, credit cards, the legal system etc need to take this into account and cap the spending. This is human nature, yes we are responsible for all the spending but its still addiction, and there should be some way to curb it- the spending..
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This psychic line called thecircle.com or what used to be called, had a mandate of $500 or something max per month. That I know because I used to use that service long ago. It is UK based service. Why did they have the mandate? Because they care. They care about the customers, about their spending. They understand that when we are being let down by someone, how it feels, where can will power fly away, and how can that take a toll on our debts because we want to hear something positive from someone during those times.
Like alcohol has an age limit, like marijuana has limitations, so should these addiction-based services have restriction.
Why is it so difficult to understand that keen makes money off of a person's misery, their immediate distress. Otherwise they have no income.
I dont see how I can control credit card's transaction via keen but yes they should have a limit too for such services. Someone has to take charge for these addiction based services, one day it will happen. And trust me, that will be for our best. Much better than realising that we spent say $15000 on keen readings instead of having it in savings!
And for those who want to spend more than $500 per month (and 500 is an arbitrary number), yes they should be allowed but it should not be made easy for them either. Just for example. I am thinking out loud anyways.
I mostly agree with you...if nothing else Keen and similar services should allow us to put whatever spending limits we choose on our accounts and have a waiting period to override any previously set limits so you can't just change it.
As far as Keen is concerned they just consider themselves to be a third party service and whatever transactions are made are between the customer and the advisor. They really only do anything to intervene if a reader violates their terms of service, like if they are saying they can break a curse if you wire them a thousand dollars. Even then, they may not really do anything about it. That's what is so bad, they don't vet their readers and they have poor customer service.
Keen would have to come up a very long way to actually begin caring about our life outcomes. And I think they are too big and have too many customers to really do it effectively anyway. But the very least they could do is add features that help us track and limit our own spending. If we pay a premium for their service, why not? But that would reduce their profits so they will never do it willingly.
The credit card companies are the ones who would have the biggest stake in reducing spending on Keen or other pay per minute sites. They are the ones who lose money when people overspend.
Ultimately it is the readers who take advantage of a person's emotional distress. There are some ethical readers on there who will stop taking calls if they know the person is spending too much, but they are rare.
Some people get defensive over the idea that they may have been victimized or taken advantage of. It brings home the reality that they can't control everything in their lives and the fear of that is what drives a lot of people to start calling psychics in the first place. There is a phase where people try to accept responsibility for what went wrong in their lives but they don't accept the state of vulnerability that allowed it to happen. That's where you see a lot of posturing about how they are the only ones responsible for whatever happened in their lives. And knee jerk reactions against the idea that anyone else might have control over what they do. It is a mindset based around toxic shame and self-blame, not personal responsibility.
Totally agree with all of this. I also accept personal responsibility for my spending, its a huge embarassment I have spent money since 2012 to present that could have bought be a brand new Civic or something. I feel very regretful doing that which is why I feel the readers take advantage of our distress, my money gone, outcome never happened, temporary relief and all that. Keen also charges a huge percent of their earnings so they do profit a lot. Wish they cared more. But they wont so hopefully one day the change will come about, and there will be some legal system to curb the addiction for vulnerable people like me. Because I am now fine and in control and know I wont spend anything significant on psychics now, but no idea how I will react to circumstances in future. But fingers crossed it never will. I just think it is a matter of time when someone takes keen or other such websites to court, and consequently some actions comes about from that..
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outcome never happened, temporary relief and all that
This is what would happen to me I call them and it would make me feel good but after 2 day later you get suck back down. reading the review from keen I finally realize that these psychic said the same thing to everyone. I somewhat found peace now but it still hurt that I been lied to. My poi said one thing and the psychic said another. She deeply care for you She doesn't even show one bit of it.
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Just curious, who is this reader who is egotistical or have been using hypnotism?
I have had a similar experience but this has been with Raven; so while I was very negative with this guy even when taking the reading on him (because I didnt want to be positive or hopeful of the situation for the fear of a let down), I have noticed it many times that she uses some power to ease the connection or something where I feel soothed, and felt unconditional love for him right after the reading or a day after the reading. I thought it was strange and I have felt it multiple times, but ofcourse my will power kicked right back in after this initial dose of hypnotism but just wanted to let you know..
I feel the same way, I am doing okay now, not even very interested in getting readings but I feel like if something really bad happened I don't know how I would react. I think I'm pretty much over it because I can't even stand to hear the BS anymore. There was a time when I needed to hear comforting words even if I knew it wasn't true. I wonder if another severe emotional shock could put me back in that place. I think at this point I would probably snap out of it pretty quickly but shock can make people do strange things.
My first years on Keen, I spent very sparingly. I felt bad if I wasted $2 just trying a reader for one minute because I was brought up to never, ever waste money like that. My second go round on Keen was a little more impulsive. But it was that one reader in particular though who really broke down my self control. I have never come across anyone else quite like her on there. I really felt like she hypnotized me. I don't think it was done maliciously, I think she honestly meant to help but she was too caught up in her ego trying to play god.
It's sad to me when people don't understand, you can take responsibility for your own choices while you also see the part other people played and hold them accountable for it. It's not an either/or situation. But people with addiction and/or codependency issues often see it as a black and white thing where either you blame other people or you blame yourself. Blame isn't even the point, but it is the perceptual filter they get stuck in.
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That must have been a bad experience, to trust Angelbaby and then come to horrible realisation she was wrong, always was. This has happened to me before many times, and I still dont seem to have learnt the lesson completely, although I have learned a lot.
Like it happened to me with whitelightangel in 2012/2013, she had disappointed me both in love life and career; then happened to me recently with mystic raven too but I dont know if she was unethical but rather inconsistent/inaccurate in her readings like they did not catch the story at the time I asked the Q; she saw negative much later when she should have seen it earlier coz I had asked it earlier...But Debra (whitelightangel) was unethical in my eyes, like angelbaby, she was soo good at convincing me that it WILL happen, and I was naive at that time, so I was going with the flow, but when the reality dawned that the opposite has happened on both love and career matters, I was terribly disappointed. Felt like a fool. Ofcourse, by that time, she was probably vacationing somewhere with the money LOL.
I just wished there was a way to retrieve the money lost in this type of getting fooled process or a way to stop people from spending unreasonable money on these things to begin with; if God wishes, it will happen; or he will give us the strength to deal with life situations without the need to take readings out of impatience. I still feel like this system has to be controlled somehow..
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I had the experience with readings where they would lead me on for a long time, and then when (I think) they would realize I wasn't buying it anymore or things weren't turning out the way they "predicted" (and I was catching on to it), they would change outcome completely....And it was a devastating experience. I even said to a few of them, what happened to the original wonderful outcome? And I never got an answer that made any sense.
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This is why it is so important to just learn the lesson the hard way once and for all. And to never trust these advisors anymore. We all take readings but it should ideally be limited in quantity and time, and its obviously out of curiosity and impatience (and sometimes spy work what not) but we cannot afford to feel betrayed by these people nor should we ever waste loads of hard earned money on them either.
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I had the experience with readings where they would lead me on for a long time, and then when (I think) they would realize I wasn't buying it anymore or things weren't turning out the way they "predicted" (and I was catching on to it), they would change outcome completely....And it was a devastating experience. I even said to a few of them, what happened to the original wonderful outcome? And I never got an answer that made any sense.
I had the same experience with many. I don't know what's worse, when they don't stand behind their predictions, or when they keep sticking to the same predictions when it is so obviously not happening!
I agree!! Had so many keep telling me to "hang in there!"
Ugh
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You have the right to leave them bad feedback. My bad feedback still haven't got removed yet. They just blocked me when I leave them bad feedback.
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I had a reader once to tell me to hang in there and I was like What? What are you saying…are you telling me to hang in there with the horrible flow, to keep taking crap, to keep being miserable? What are you telling me to hang in there for? She stated, I knew you wouldn’t like the reading.
Sometimes the crap that comes out of some people’s mouth should be swallowed and left for the other end.
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You have to left your feedback within 14 days not like psychic source they let you have 90 day to left feedback but they have to be approve it so it even more flaw.
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I always wonder does these psychic can really tell how a person very felt and care about you? Because they always said my poi like me a lot want a long term reationship with me but then she said she want nothing to do with me and doesn't care.
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I always wonder does these psychic can really tell how a person very felt and care about you? Because they always said my poi like me a lot want a long term reationship with me but then she said she want nothing to do with me and doesn't care.
It depends who you ask. I think the reputable readers can see whether she has a connection to you, thinks about you, and has genuine feelings for you.. however, I think in your case, she is trying to push you away for other reasons. It could be that she simply cannot cope with a relationship at the moment.. she needs space, and does not want to lead you on or feel under pressure to respond to you. Judi's inner light always tries to separate the heart from the ego - it's a good exercise.
I know how painful it can be Lostsoul.. I think the best thing you can do, is to accept the situation as it is now, and pray for guidence. It will come..