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Metaphysical, Spiritual and Psychic Discussions => Keen.com => Topic started by: sweet2 on January 08, 2014, 02:54:34 PM
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save your money
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You need to stop spamming the message board. We get it.
Funniest thing I've read today.
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I actually think we need to be open to the bad with the good here. I'm not entering the new year getting any more readings as well. The majority of the time, we don't get the most accurate prediction. It is crazy to do the same thing over and over again and expect different results. And some of us just have to accept that we are calling about a dead end situation anyway. Therapy, prayer and being direct in our relationships is the medicine that is actually good for us.
I wish everyone well here. Won't be posting anymore.
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I'm curious - so I will ask, just to be sure. Oceanview22, when you say that nothing came to pass, are you speaking of the outcome that did not happen, or everything that all of the psychics shared with you was ALL inaccurate? I mean, were they not able to share anything with you that was accurate, either past, present or future?
if so, why would you continue reading with advisors if that was the case?Keen's Psychic:
I have read 99% of psychics, the name has been shown on this site, and NOTHING has come to pass
" he will contact you, ask you to forgiving"
" you will have children 1 or 2"
“don’t worry your financial, next year (or next few months) will be better"
Here is what happened to me since:
(He never contact me, and he got marry 2012 )
(I just found out from my Dr, i will have difficulty to get pregnant, or maybe zero chance)
(I filed bankruptcy 2013)
Please do not trust psychics, “you think it works, because you feel better”
PS: sorry for my English, as you know i am not an American, i just feel that i need to speak up, and try to do my best to let you know.
Please ask God to give you answer (God will never asking you money to talk to him right?)
Take care and wish you all find your happiness.
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You need to stop spamming the message board. We get it. Your life hasn't turned out the way you wanted. Rather than putting the sole blame on Keen psychics, you might want to look inward, start taking some responsibility, and start making some changes.
This response is absolutely unnecessary. Your definition of spam must be different than Webster's because I think 2-3 posts does not warrant this abusive comment. Oceanview is just as entitled to post her experiences as you or I. If you don't like or agree with her comments that is your right but she does not deserve to bashed or told how to live.
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Seriously!
To call this spam is ridiculous. Ocean is also saying that the outcomes given did not turn out to be so, so to further probe regarding if they were inaccurate with everything, just doesn't matter.
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Calypso I agree that Oceanview22 is not spamming the board, but why do you feel asking about the accuracy of the psychics doesn't matter? Isn't the point of this forum to find out which psychics work and which do not? Why should that be wrong?
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Bark,
The point was that the psychics were wrong about the final outcomes they gave so what point is it giving credit for other things they got "right."
I guess I'm firm on this because a common thread I've seen is that readers are both right and wrong but in the end they are dead wrong!!
Why highlight the few areas they are right. I try to think about others on the forum and know that those still stuck in the cycle will cling to that rather than the truth about just how wrong readers are.
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Calypso,
I understand your point, and please don't mistake this post as one advocating ALL psychics or claiming that all psychics have talent, because it isn't.
What perplexes me is that I can't see how a psychic can have enough talent to see details of our private lives, both past and present and yet have no talent being able to see what might happen in the near future. That's all. I am convinced that there is more to it than just the psychic telling us what is to happen. I believe we play a role in how the future plays out as well, and that just might account for why so many readers are, as you call it, accurate on some things and yet so "dead wrong" on final outcomes. Doesn't that just make you a little curious? How is it I can read with a psychic that can tell me without any input from me just how my life has been, and with whom and what lead up to today and yet they are completely incapable of telling me what can happen tomorrow?
Are you also one that is tied to timing of events? Because perhaps what is to happen in some cases hasn't happened yet...for one or more reasons, so how do we know so definitively that the psychics were wrong?
I had a reading with my first psychic in 1993. I was so naiive I didn't even know what to ask, so you can be sure I did not ask "when?" but the reader told of me of my future husband. What he looked like, where he would be living and a little of his past. It happened, just as predicted. But he was not my husband until 2000 - 7 years after the reading! I could have assumed in 1995 since I had no husband that the psychic was wrong. I could have assumed in 1998, again without this husband in my life, that the psychic was wrong, and again in 1999, but in 2000 when I actually married this man could I then insist the psychic was wrong?
Bark,
The point was that the psychics were wrong about the final outcomes they gave so what point is it giving credit for other things they got "right."
I guess I'm firm on this because a common thread I've seen is that readers are both right and wrong but in the end they are dead wrong!!
Why highlight the few areas they are right. I try to think about others on the forum and know that those still stuck in the cycle will cling to that rather than the truth about just how wrong readers are.
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The past and present have already happened... Of course a gifted intuitive can see that. The future has not yet occurred. Why would we assume anyone can see that? I do still believe in psychics because I've had many predictions manifest, but I've called about four situations for which that majority of readers were completely wrong on the outcome. I've been on this forum A LONG TIME and NO ONE has returned to say they reunited with the party they've been calling about. That should say something.
Btw, the man I started calling readers about 3 years ago ended up marrying a coworker of ours just a few months after we split. Sooooo many readers told me he was the one. Nope. He wasnt.
A few days before Christmas, the man I've been pining over for the past two years told me he just wants to be friends and has NO INTEREST in being romantic with me. Just days before and even after he told me that to my face, I had readers (ones I trust and who have been accurate in other matters) tell me he'll be back. Ummmm... Why can't we simply accept reality?? A person who wants to be with you WILL BE WITH YOU. He told me to my face. That should be enough.
This is all very complicated, and I know we all want to believe the objects of our affection will return, but I think overall these readings are dangerous. They can keep us hanging on to situations that are dead. A reading changes nothing. If something is meant to happen, it'll happen with or without the reading. So what's the point?? And this is coming from someone who is still getting readings. But when I think about it all, it makes me feel so silly.
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I have to agree with Synergy. In fact, the only readings I've ever had pan out in the end - and the only ones I've seen pan out for other people - were usually work-related or financial in some way. I don't know why anyone thinks they can predict what the human heart will do, especially when there are multiple people in the picture. My own feelings and intentions can change in the blink of an eye based on something as simple as a poorly-worded comment - why on earth would I assume that wouldn't be the same for other people as well?
Empaths can (in theory) read what a person is feeling at that moment in time. Clairvoyants can (in theory) see a potential future based on what's happening in that moment in time. But if that person's feelings change, so does everything else, and we've seen it happen here over and over again.
Just...live your life, I guess. I may yet still call about work related issues and financial stuff if it comes up, because that actually does seem to work. But no more relationship questions. It's too complicated to predict, it actually detracts from any relationship you're currently in because you're no longer experiencing it for what it is, and I'm really starting to think we're not supposed to know about what will happen in our love lives before it actually does. You know how all those psychics say, "Well, free will?" They're not lying, at least not about that. So why even bother?
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The past and present have already happened... Of course a gifted intuitive can see that. The future has not yet occurred. Why would we assume anyone can see that?
The past has happened. The present has not. And furthermore, what enables a "gifted intuitive" to see something that has happened over something that hasn't? It makes no sense.
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Somnus, there is free will and that is why I am saying "we" impact readings as well. The issue is that the "free will" argument that a lot of members here consider mumbo jumbo does come into play, and perhaps there comes a time when even the naysayers will see it too.
By the way, how do career-related predictions turn out more often than not? Do they not involve free will? There is a person that is involved in making a decision.... just as in a relationship. The difference, in my opinion, is because there are less forces that intercept that decision. I have to agree with Synergy. In fact, the only readings I've ever had pan out in the end - and the only ones I've seen pan out for other people - were usually work-related or financial in some way. I don't know why anyone thinks they can predict what the human heart will do, especially when there are multiple people in the picture. My own feelings and intentions can change in the blink of an eye based on something as simple as a poorly-worded comment - why on earth would I assume that wouldn't be the same for other people as well?
Empaths can (in theory) read what a person is feeling at that moment in time. Clairvoyants can (in theory) see a potential future based on what's happening in that moment in time. But if that person's feelings change, so does everything else, and we've seen it happen here over and over again.
Just...live your life, I guess. I may yet still call about work related issues and financial stuff if it comes up, because that actually does seem to work. But no more relationship questions. It's too complicated to predict, it actually detracts from any relationship you're currently in because you're no longer experiencing it for what it is, and I'm really starting to think we're not supposed to know about what will happen in our love lives before it actually does. You know how all those psychics say, "Well, free will?" They're not lying, at least not about that. So why even bother?
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A few days before Christmas, the man I've been pining over for the past two years told me he just wants to be friends and has NO INTEREST in being romantic with me. Just days before and even after he told me that to my face, I had readers (ones I trust and who have been accurate in other matters) tell me he'll be back. Ummmm... Why can't we simply accept reality?? A person who wants to be with you WILL BE WITH YOU. He told me to my face. That should be enough.
I'll play devil's advocate here. Perhaps he will be back, but in time, not your time, but in time. We have all said things that we have later gone back on. Perhaps he will too. Why is this not the case here?
And if some of those readers you consulted after this had occurred are gifted intuitive readers, why didn't they see that he had already said this to you?
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I to have been told something by a psychic that at the time seemed to be so far fetched that it would never happen. Then 2 months later the exact thing she said would happen happened. When I was only using Psychic Source I had the following experiences
Josephine: I called her when my fling and I lost the place that we met. A relative had moved into the apartment (rent free) and I thought this would be the end of us. She told me You will still be together. It m ay take a week or two to figure something out but you will continue this. We did! She then told me that the relative would not be there long. He would wait until they were out of town and sneak off. Two months later when they were on vacation he did just that. Moved out of state in the middle of the night with not so much as a word to them. Who would have thought the someone would give up a completely free place to live.
Sadie: She me that she seen me having a BBQ with him in the summer sometime and he would pay more attention to me than his wife. I have know them for over 5 years and we had never BBQed together. I thought she is being general with summer BBQ who doesn't BBQ in the summer right.. I put it completely out of my head. Towards the end of August I did have a BBQ with them and he did pay more attention to me that anyone else there.
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I believe this is a perfect example of how "we" impact our reading success. Can we not agree that on this forum there are reports of small insignificant events that happen as predicted, yet larger more significant events or outcomes seem to be just outside our grasp? Is it not highly possible, therefore, that we tend not to dwell on the smaller events as we focus our attention on the larger outcomes? The smaller less significant events roll out much to our surprise while the "mother load" predictions don't pan out! Could it be we are the difference between a successful prediction and one that it not?
Just asking....
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By the way, how do career-related predictions turn out more often than not? Do they not involve free will? There is a person that is involved in making a decision.... just as in a relationship. The difference, in my opinion, is because there are less forces that intercept that decision.
I think we're agreeing with one another on this. But yes, there are less forces affecting a career prediction, because most hiring managers are (or at least should be) removing their emotions from the equation when making a decision between candidates - the "best fit" usually matches a certain profile they were already looking for. Some feelings might come into play, but they're mostly emotionally detached from the candidates because they don't really know them and they aren't invested in them personally. With relationships, everything is emotion, which is why it's so unpredictable. If they're reading based off of your current feelings and your partner's current feelings, but something triggers a new emotion - something as simple as, say, a song coming on the radio - that decides to linger, that can drastically change the outcome. It's why I've kind of thrown up my hands in frustration when it comes to love predictions - there are a million billion little variables that are constantly changing because emotions are fluid, especially when those emotions are in regards to an intimate relationship.
Edit: all that being said, I'm not saying it's impossible to nail a long term big picture relationship prediction. I'm just saying that, compared to finance or job security readings, the chances are much higher that things are going to change long before the prediction pans out.
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Right. So the emotions and feelings and thoughts at the time of the reading are what the reader tunes into in order to make a prediction. So, as time goes on those thoughts feelings and emotions could dwindle and what appeared to be a sure "thing" at one time might then take on less of a certainty at some point in time. However, if when tuning in over time a reader still gets the same sense of feeling/emotion then we should learn to "let go" and let time take its course. Easier said than done, I know.
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For a career-related prediction, I would tend to agree with the below as it pertains to the hiring manager alone! The client probably has quite a lot of vested interest and emotion in the outcome, however, and especially when it is a much-needed job.
I think it might be wise for us to look a the percentage of success in career-related predictions a little closer to examine the dynamic, though, before throwing all psychics out with the bathwater.
Permit me to suggest this.... take a career-related prediction and let's suppose the following:
1. Hiring manager is making a decision without a lot of vested emotion...its a decision based upon an intellectual process rather than a heart-felt emotion.
2. Client seeking the career could be similarly detached to the outcome, but there is a good chance that the client might have a lot of emotion attached to the outcome, since it would impact his or her life if it materializes.
Now, compare this with a relationship-related prediction. What is similar? What is different? In a relationship matter the client has the same vested interest in the query, and the outcome. The subject of the query (the SO, or SM, or love interest, or ex) is akin to the hiring manager - detached, not invested, not emotional...possibly approaching the situation with intellectual process rather than heart-felt emotion.
Is it possible that the difference in the two situations is how we react while awaiting the final outcome? In career-related situations, do we not still go to work, appreciate that we have a job, evenif it is not the best. Or if we are unemployed, do we not still go out and continue to look while something we have already applied for is fermenting?
Could the success rate be related to the fact that when we don't dwell, and when the decision is left entirely up to another person, over whom we have little impact, and we are given only one option and that is to accept what is and leave the final outcome up to the Universe, then things tend to work out?
.... there are less forces affecting a career prediction, because most hiring managers are (or at least should be) removing their emotions from the equation when making a decision between candidates - the "best fit" usually matches a certain profile they were already looking for. Some feelings might come into play, but they're mostly emotionally detached from the candidates because they don't really know them and they aren't invested in them personally.
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I don't necessarily want to share all the details of my relationship with this person or with regards to the specifics of my various readings, but, yes, my favorite readers do know what he told me. Regardless, they say he'll still come back around romantically. I have no reason to believe this is true as he told me exactly how he feels... not just about me, but about his life and also how he feels about the fact I have children (a dealbreaker). I don't need a reader to blow smoke up my ass and tell me this man will wake up one day and suddenly reconsider. Give me a break. Reality has proven (for the past 2 and a half years, mind you) that this man does not want a relationship beyond friendship with me. I love him, I want to be with him, I'd love to build my life with him, but he told me that's not going to happen. Why would I believe someone other than the source?
By the way, this isn't about things happening in my time. I don't cling to timeframes. I don't even ask for them. This is about reality versus something a reader on the other line of a phone is telling me. Let's be honest. Reality should win every time.
If you are convinced that the client is responsible for impacting a prediction based on their own reaction to it, then why get readings at all? Wouldn't it make sense to encourage people to live their lives without the influence of these predictions?
Also, I think you mean well and you want everyone to get their happy ending, but when someone posts that things didn't happen and they didn't reunite with their past love, I think it's dangerous to encourage them to keep holding on. I see why you like to provide alternate possibilities, but it's best for people to move on and live their lives without clinging to hope for YEARS and spending money on these calls in the process. It's almost a form of abuse or torture.
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Is it possible that the difference in the two situations is how we react while awaiting the final outcome? In career-related situations, do we not still go to work, appreciate that we have a job, evenif it is not the best. Or if we are unemployed, do we not still go out and continue to look while something we have already applied for is fermenting?
Could the success rate be related to the fact that when we don't dwell, and when the decision is left entirely up to another person, over whom we have little impact, and we are given only one option and that is to accept what is and leave the final outcome up to the Universe, then things tend to work out?
If we are unemployed, and are told we are going to get such and such job that we applied for, No we don't always continue to go out and look for a job. Interviewing is a big hassle, not as big as moving, but a pain nonetheless. So if we think it's in the bag, we stop looking (at least I've done this before). Or we get numerous readings, which confirms, I will get that position. I did not get one position I called readers about. Not one. I even had readers bring up another position which went to someone else and continue to tell me the company will call me back. I had this come up in at least two maybe three readings and it never happened. NEVER.
Because I had so many interviews, the position I have now, I just figured I wasn't going to get it. So, during the interview, although professional, I acted like I wasn't going to get it. It was through yet another placement service, so when they called me (as so many do), I was like yeah okay, I'll go interview. They asked if I had questions and I told him no because I thought, why would I question something I believe I'm not going to get. They even told me I was one of the most laid back person that has ever come through their doors. Not only did I get the position, the manager told me before I left the interview.
The complete and definitive problem is getting readings in the first place.
I've come to believe everything has free will (EVERYTHING), which includes employment and as much as we'd like to think a position will be filled by the best fit candidate, this is hardly ever the case. Emotions are involved a good percentage of the time, whether we see them or not and as humans it's completely unavoidable. We all know someone who got a position because they knew someone, or because the person was attractive, or a person has been at the job so long, the company has to promote them (and none of these people really were the best fit candidate). This doesn't always happen, but there are many cases were it has.
I believe our success rate is not only related to letting the outcome go [once it has been told to us or it's something we severely desire], but just letting it go in general (even before we consider getting a reading). We are suppose to ask for what we want, then let it go. I've heard this since the beginning of time and letting go just means to let things take their own course without manipulation from the participants.
If for example I don't get a reading, I still dwell on the outcome, just because it's important to me. The {issue} is almost the only thing we can think about. It's the focused energy that can pull, as well as push something away that we may want. The affect readings have is that they verbalize things into becoming another form of focus.
When we call to get readings, we're already focused on it (hence, why it's easy for a seasoned reader to pick up on it), so in essence we really can't blame readers right/or wrong for something we already are focused on. Isn't that the reason we call? We are basically just adding fuel to the fire, by becoming more focused on it.
I may continue readings especially for the pep they give me when I'm down (this is the only thing I feel it's good for). It's just another unbiased opinion/someone on my side, but I won't live my life through the information that was given to me, nor change the path I'm on because of it.
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If you are convinced that the client is responsible for impacting a prediction based on their own reaction to it, then why get readings at all? Wouldn't it make sense to encourage people to live their lives without the influence of these predictions?
Also, I think you mean well and you want everyone to get their happy ending, but when someone posts that things didn't happen and they didn't reunite with their past love, I think it's dangerous to encourage them to keep holding on. I see why you like to provide alternate possibilities, but it's best for people to move on and live their lives without clinging to hope for YEARS and spending money on these calls in the process. It's almost a form of abuse or torture.
Such a good description, I laughed when I read this Synergy, because abuse and torture is what it feels like when you're strung out on what a reader tells you and not knowing which direction to turn in. I know, I've been there, but when you come out on the other side, we'll all understand (at some point) that we let the reading influence our decisions without doing what we would have done, before the reading instigated our thoughts.
It's so, so true.
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If you are convinced that the client is responsible for impacting a prediction based on their own reaction to it, then why get readings at all? Wouldn't it make sense to encourage people to live their lives without the influence of these predictions?
I said a client might be responsible for impacting a reading. Not that all clients are. And I am not advocating getting a reading. Some people do live their lives without the influence of predictions. It's their choice and yours.
Also, I think you mean well and you want everyone to get their happy ending, but when someone posts that things didn't happen and they didn't reunite with their past love, I think it's dangerous to encourage them to keep holding on. I see why you like to provide alternate possibilities, but it's best for people to move on and live their lives without clinging to hope for YEARS and spending money on these calls in the process. It's almost a form of abuse or torture.
Syn, I am not encouraging anyone to do anything. In fact, the essence of what I am asking is - "perhaps clients should put aside the information received during a reading, as if they never had one". So, in fact the result is that whatever is to happen happens - reading or otherwise.
Syn, you are fully entitled to think whatever you wish about my well-meaning hopes and aspirations, but the truth is I have my own opinion, and I am entitled to it. I, personally, feel you are not accepting even though you claim you have, when it comes to the potential of a relationship with this guy. Perhaps surrendering might be wise.
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If you are convinced that the client is responsible for impacting a prediction based on their own reaction to it, then why get readings at all? Wouldn't it make sense to encourage people to live their lives without the influence of these predictions?
I said a client might be responsible for impacting a reading. Not that all clients are. And I am not advocating getting a reading. Some people do live their lives without the influence of predictions. It's their choice and yours.
Also, I think you mean well and you want everyone to get their happy ending, but when someone posts that things didn't happen and they didn't reunite with their past love, I think it's dangerous to encourage them to keep holding on. I see why you like to provide alternate possibilities, but it's best for people to move on and live their lives without clinging to hope for YEARS and spending money on these calls in the process. It's almost a form of abuse or torture.
Syn, I am not encouraging anyone to do anything. In fact, the essence of what I am asking is - "perhaps clients should put aside the information received during a reading, as if they never had one". So, in fact the result is that whatever is to happen happens - reading or otherwise.
Syn, you are fully entitled to think whatever you wish about my well-meaning hopes and aspirations, but the truth is I have my own opinion, and I am entitled to it. I, personally, feel you are not accepting even though you claim you have, when it comes to the potential of a relationship with this guy. Perhaps surrendering might be wise.
I am not accepting what? I am accepting reality and moving on with my life from there. That doesn't mean my feelings for him will shut off. It means I accept the friendship and also accept that he does not envision himself with me because he does not want to deal with children and simply sees himself being alone or with someone else who doesn't come with the "baggage" I come with. Straight from the horse's mouth. That's what I accept.
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Well, that's good then. My mistake. I thought I read somewhere in your earlier post that you were being given predictions that he would come back around and reconsider AFTER he had already said this to you. That's why I suggested you might not be accepting reality.
If you are convinced that the client is responsible for impacting a prediction based on their own reaction to it, then why get readings at all? Wouldn't it make sense to encourage people to live their lives without the influence of these predictions?
I said a client might be responsible for impacting a reading. Not that all clients are. And I am not advocating getting a reading. Some people do live their lives without the influence of predictions. It's their choice and yours.
Also, I think you mean well and you want everyone to get their happy ending, but when someone posts that things didn't happen and they didn't reunite with their past love, I think it's dangerous to encourage them to keep holding on. I see why you like to provide alternate possibilities, but it's best for people to move on and live their lives without clinging to hope for YEARS and spending money on these calls in the process. It's almost a form of abuse or torture.
Syn, I am not encouraging anyone to do anything. In fact, the essence of what I am asking is - "perhaps clients should put aside the information received during a reading, as if they never had one". So, in fact the result is that whatever is to happen happens - reading or otherwise.
Syn, you are fully entitled to think whatever you wish about my well-meaning hopes and aspirations, but the truth is I have my own opinion, and I am entitled to it. I, personally, feel you are not accepting even though you claim you have, when it comes to the potential of a relationship with this guy. Perhaps surrendering might be wise.
I am not accepting what? I am accepting reality and moving on with my life from there. That doesn't mean my feelings for him will shut off. It means I accept the friendship and also accept that he does not envision himself with me because he does not want to deal with children and simply sees himself being alone or with someone else who doesn't come with the "baggage" I come with. Straight from the horse's mouth. That's what I accept.
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I will say that, based on the things we don't believe in when we get readings are the very things that manifest. The same thing happened to me two years back when I had a reading, there were two things addressed and the one that I did not believe will happen in this lifetime is what manifested;(mind you, free will was attached to this cos it was regarding a particular race that I would normally not show interest in but, when something is meant to happen, it will) the other part of the reading that I believed in never manifested.!! Guess what, it was the same reader who addressed those two areas. I feel like letting go and forgetting we had a reading is when we see true manifestation. But let me ask each and everyone a question, How many of us can actually do this? If it is something we want and can see happening, we think about it day in and day out. All the readings I have had and focused on have not panned out and 95% of the ones I didn't believe in have. Sometimes I believe we change the outcome by dwelling on them and suffocate the true outcome. It is like holding on to something so tightly that you cannot even see it with your own eyes. So I will say it is wise not to have readings unless you can forget about it. I know I can’t
I to have been told something by a psychic that at the time seemed to be so far fetched that it would never happen. Then 2 months later the exact thing she said would happen happened. When I was only using Psychic Source I had the following experiences
Josephine: I called her when my fling and I lost the place that we met. A relative had moved into the apartment (rent free) and I thought this would be the end of us. She told me You will still be together. It m ay take a week or two to figure something out but you will continue this. We did! She then told me that the relative would not be there long. He would wait until they were out of town and sneak off. Two months later when they were on vacation he did just that. Moved out of state in the middle of the night with not so much as a word to them. Who would have thought the someone would give up a completely free place to live.
Sadie: She me that she seen me having a BBQ with him in the summer sometime and he would pay more attention to me than his wife. I have know them for over 5 years and we had never BBQed together. I thought she is being general with summer BBQ who doesn't BBQ in the summer right.. I put it completely out of my head. Towards the end of August I did have a BBQ with them and he did pay more attention to me that anyone else there.
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Now, compare this with a relationship-related prediction. What is similar? What is different? In a relationship matter the client has the same vested interest in the query, and the outcome. The subject of the query (the SO, or SM, or love interest, or ex) is akin to the hiring manager - detached, not invested, not emotional...possibly approaching the situation with intellectual process rather than heart-felt emotion.
I have to be honest with you - if the love interest is detached and emotionally not invested, then in theory there should be no positive reading. The reading should be negative. It's rare for an ex or a significant other or even a friend that you've got an interest in to be emotionally detached, though, because we're talking about a personal relationship - one way or another, they're going to feel something, even if that something is a strong desire to never go there again or a feeling like things are over. The only time you'll be looking at a subject that is detached is if the person in question is unaware of the client's feelings and never even considered the possibility of a relationship - in which case, that should really come out in the reading. Relationships are rarely intellectual endeavors.
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Yes, I have received positive predictions about this relationship AFTER he has told me that he is not interested in anything other than friendship. With that said, a reading should not take precedence over reality. His feelings about the fact I have children will not change. This was an issue 2 years ago, is an issue now, and will always be an issue. The right man for me will not care that I already have two children.
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Yeah...this is the challenge. I am convinced the success rate IS determined by US! The trick is actually DOING it. I had a reading from Jenny Alton in mid year 2013. She told me that the trick to getting a reading and having it manifest is to "put the information away". She even showed me with my own life how this has happened and the things I disregard actually happen. It happened after a reading I had with her in February this year.
The problem is that it takes a very determined and strong-willed person to disregard the glimpse we have had into the future. It is near impossible to forget something we've seen - especially if it's something we are longing for. But we should try to do it. If you can't dismiss and forget, then at the very least, relax in knowing it is coming and focus your attention on other things.
As an anecdote, I have a sister who loved to sneak into my parents closets before Christmas and look at what they had bought for us all. My parents got to the point where they had t wrap everything once it was purchased, because they knew she would sneak in there. My sister got so adept at undoing the sticky tape on the packages, looking at the contents and then slipping the contents back into the wrapping paper that she became the world's best wrapper since, but I digress.
Anyway, my parents wrapping the presents didn't deter my sister at all, but what she did develop along the years was a knack of completely DISMISSING what she had seen such that on Christmas Day she was often so delighted and surprised by each gift she opened, that it was as if she'd never seen them at all. I am still not sure if it was the ability to dismiss, or the comfort she got of knowing that what she wanted was on its way - but either way I think it is the effect of surrendering that is the trick. IF you can do it, that is. I will say that, based on the things we don't believe in when we get readings are the very things that manifest. The same thing happened to me two years back when I had a reading, there were two things addressed and the one that I did not believe will happen in this lifetime is what manifested;(mind you, free will was attached to this cos it was regarding a particular race that I would normally not show interest in but, when something is meant to happen, it will) the other part of the reading that I believed in never manifested.!! Guess what, it was the same reader who addressed those two areas. I feel like letting go and forgetting we had a reading is when we see true manifestation. But let me ask each and everyone a question, How many of us can actually do this? If it is something we want and can see happening, we think about it day in and day out. All the readings I have had and focused on have not panned out and 95% of the ones I didn't believe in have. Sometimes I believe we change the outcome by dwelling on them and suffocate the true outcome. It is like holding on to something so tightly that you cannot even see it with your own eyes. So I will say it is wise not to have readings unless you can forget about it. I know I can’t
I to have been told something by a psychic that at the time seemed to be so far fetched that it would never happen. Then 2 months later the exact thing she said would happen happened. When I was only using Psychic Source I had the following experiences
Josephine: I called her when my fling and I lost the place that we met. A relative had moved into the apartment (rent free) and I thought this would be the end of us. She told me You will still be together. It m ay take a week or two to figure something out but you will continue this. We did! She then told me that the relative would not be there long. He would wait until they were out of town and sneak off. Two months later when they were on vacation he did just that. Moved out of state in the middle of the night with not so much as a word to them. Who would have thought the someone would give up a completely free place to live.
Sadie: She me that she seen me having a BBQ with him in the summer sometime and he would pay more attention to me than his wife. I have know them for over 5 years and we had never BBQed together. I thought she is being general with summer BBQ who doesn't BBQ in the summer right.. I put it completely out of my head. Towards the end of August I did have a BBQ with them and he did pay more attention to me that anyone else there.
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Somnus,
This isn't true at all. People switch their focus and thus detach. I don't mean absent of all feeling, I mean that they are distracted by something else. Just as we should be while we are "moving on". Now, compare this with a relationship-related prediction. What is similar? What is different? In a relationship matter the client has the same vested interest in the query, and the outcome. The subject of the query (the SO, or SM, or love interest, or ex) is akin to the hiring manager - detached, not invested, not emotional...possibly approaching the situation with intellectual process rather than heart-felt emotion.
I have to be honest with you - if the love interest is detached and emotionally not invested, then in theory there should be no positive reading. The reading should be negative. It's rare for an ex or a significant other or even a friend that you've got an interest in to be emotionally detached, though, because we're talking about a personal relationship - one way or another, they're going to feel something, even if that something is a strong desire to never go there again or a feeling like things are over. The only time you'll be looking at a subject that is detached is if the person in question is unaware of the client's feelings and never even considered the possibility of a relationship - in which case, that should really come out in the reading. Relationships are rarely intellectual endeavors.
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Syn,
People change their feelings all the time. He can change his feelings.. and in point of fact those appear to me to be simply excuses - not reasons. My point was that if you are getting readings about this matter after he has told you point blank that is not going to happen, have you actually accepted it?
Yes, I have received positive predictions about this relationship AFTER he has told me that he is not interested in anything other than friendship. With that said, a reading should not take precedence over reality. His feelings about the fact I have children will not change. This was an issue 2 years ago, is an issue now, and will always be an issue. The right man for me will not care that I already have two children.
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Syn,
People change their feelings all the time. He can change his feelings.. and in point of fact those appear to me to be simply excuses - not reasons. My point was that if you are getting readings about this matter after he has told you point blank that is not going to happen, have you actually accepted it?
Yes, I have received positive predictions about this relationship AFTER he has told me that he is not interested in anything other than friendship. With that said, a reading should not take precedence over reality. His feelings about the fact I have children will not change. This was an issue 2 years ago, is an issue now, and will always be an issue. The right man for me will not care that I already have two children.
I'm going to be blunt. I think it's really inappropriate for you to be questioning people's acceptance of what is being told to them point blank. If Synergy has accepted that this individual is not interested in a relationship, I don't see how it's appropriate to encourage her to consider that, oh, his feelings might change, these could just be excuses.
Are you sure you're not projecting your own hopes because you want to believe your readings were real? Believe me, I think we'd all understand if you were because we've all been there at one point or another - reading stories of other people's predictions just barely falling short, hoping that the outcome would change for the better so that we could have some validation that, yes, these readings can pan out...but let's be real here. They haven't, and like you, a lot of us have been getting readings for years.
We can go back and forth all day about dwelling, but encouraging people to hold on to hope when they've already made the conscious decision to move on is really kind of inconsiderate.
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Somnus,
All I am saying is that it is hard to accept and let something go. I understand it is difficult. I am the first to admit I have not. But I also believe one has to speak one's truth. I find it curious that someone is still calling about a love interest after being told there is no hope, if that person believes that the information give by the love interest is the truth. That's all.
You can take from the rest of the post what you want, but when you boil it all down, if someone has accepted that nothing will come of a relationship why would there be any reason to call a psychic about them?
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I'm going to be blunt. I think it's really inappropriate for you to be questioning people's acceptance of what is being told to them point blank. If Synergy has accepted that this individual is not interested in a relationship, I don't see how it's appropriate to encourage her to consider that, oh, his feelings might change, these could just be excuses.
Are you sure you're not projecting your own hopes because you want to believe your readings were real? Believe me, I think we'd all understand if you were because we've all been there at one point or another - reading stories of other people's predictions just barely falling short, hoping that the outcome would change for the better so that we could have some validation that, yes, these readings can pan out...but let's be real here. They haven't, and like you, a lot of us have been getting readings for years.
We can go back and forth all day about dwelling, but encouraging people to hold on to hope when they've already made the conscious decision to move on is really kind of inconsiderate.
Personally, I think you're misreading Bark Angel's intent. I got the impression she was trying to figure out how outcomes happen, the reason they don't....how it's possible for the caller to be responsible for the outcome as well....just information about readings in general (or I could be wrong). I thought she was on to something, not necessarily trying to ram her beliefs down anyone else's throats. She (as it appears to me) was just using Synergy as a variable or example to give proof to her theory. There are two sides to everything.
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Oh, I meant to add. I don't think she believes anyone has made the conscious decision to move on, then they still wouldn't be calling readers about the issue. Besides, it's a process. One doesn't just turn off their feelings like a light switch. There is still hope somewhere no matter how miniscule that it will work out. Part of that process too is talking it out, and here we are.
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Somnus,
All I am saying is that it is hard to accept and let something go. I understand it is difficult. I am the first to admit I have not. But I also believe one has to speak one's truth. I find it curious that someone is still calling about a love interest after being told there is no hope, if that person believes that the information give by the love interest is the truth. That's all.
You can take from the rest of the post what you want, but when you boil it all down, if someone has accepted that nothing will come of a relationship why would there be any reason to call a psychic about them?
Nope. That's not what happened. I did not call to talk about the person in question returning. In one instance, I called about an entirely different situation and the person in question came up in the reading and the reader told me he would return romatically. In the other two instances, I got readings because this person reached out to me for help with something after giving me his speech. I was curious what his intent was... I was NOT trying to see if we would reconcile. Via this line of questions, both readers indicated he would eventually return romantically, HOWEVER, both mentioned that one primary driver would be sex.
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Exactly, Zee!
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Syn,
I am not trying to exploit your situation. We all know how hard it is to move on. I am pretty sure that if the vast majority of us were to be completely honest with ourselves, most of us haven't. I know I haven't.
All I am saying is that if you had accepted it as final, curiosity would not matter. Nothing would!
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Ok...my point to this conversation is getting lost so I will leave with this comment. I think we do have a role in whether a psychic prediction happens or not. The more we want it, the more we play a role. The more active we are in the prediction and the events leading up to the outcome, the longer it will take if it ever manifests at all.
Even when we think we are not playing a role, we are... our minds play tricks on us, as we try to convince ourselves that we are not dwelling on the issue. If we could put it aside, and I mean really put it aside, the final outcome would carry as much weight as some of the incidental predictions that manifest during our calls to readers that we totally dismiss as insignificant and unnecessary. Ever consider why they might come to fruition? Perhaps, just perhaps because they ARE insignificant.
This could go on until the prediction no longer means as much to us anymore. When the final outcome means less to us, such that it too becomes insignificant, that, folks, is probably when the prediction happens!
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How does one surrender? Distractions are temporary. How does one let go? Our minds are the strongest forces of our beings.
I've asked this from my share of psychics and almost none have been able to give any concrete answer and when people say "just live your life" is not an answer because even when you're strung out, you're still living. It might not be the life you envision, but it's still living. Well, by all means, please explain how it's done.
...and meditation is a crock, so don't say this either.
If I have to meditate to stop thinking about something I want so that it happens, I'm still thinking about it. I feel I am getting closer to an answer, just by how I've come to have the position I have now, but I still don't have the complete answer.
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How does one surrender? Distractions are temporary. How does one let go? Our minds are the strongest forces of our beings.
I've asked this from my share of psychics and almost none have been able to give any concrete answer and when people say "just live your life" is not an answer because even when you're strung out, you're still living. It might not be the life you envision, but it's still living. Well, by all means, please explain how it's done.
...and meditation is a crock, so don't say this either.
If I have to meditate to stop thinking about something I want so that it happens, I'm still thinking about it. I feel I am getting closer to an answer, just by how I've come to have the position I have now, but I still don't have the complete answer.
What you have to do...or at least, what I've had to do in the past...is basically whatever you'd do to get over a nasty breakup. And at first it is just distraction, but eventually (with what is essentially practice) it helps you keep your mind off the situation and you learn to move on.
The last time I went through this (and probably what I should do again now), I hit the gym just about every day, I rearranged my room and painted it a new color, I made a point of joining a few social groups on meetup.com, and I made a point of finding a creative outlet. For me, that's writing - I'd go to a park or a Starbucks or anywhere that would not remind me of my relationship and I'd write.
For you, it might be different. But it's all down to practice.
That said, it doesn't stop you from thinking about it entirely - it can't, because Lord knows it hurts. I think the key is to keep yourself from thinking about it constantly, and that's where the distractions come in. And after you do it enough, it just kind of...happens. (But admittedly, sometimes that takes seemingly FOREVER.)
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I think by "surrender" what you have to do is envision your life in front of you without this "outcome" developing into reality. So if you have a love interest that you want to reconcile with, one needs to wake up each morning with the notion that your life is your own and there is no one person missing at this time. Your love life is a blank canvas, open to new relationships. Whoever you will be spending your life with has yet to arrive.
I read on one site that actually in the process of "surrendering" you don't actually have to move forward in a relationship with anyone else. You could clear up closets, organize your home, clean out clutter. It is the process of removing what does not work that provides the Universe the space to bring something "new" in. And by "new" I don't only mean a relationship with someone new, but it can also mean a new start to a former lover. It could mean opening new doors by expanding your horizons, or taking on a new hobby, a new course, new activities. You are growing and moving forward as a person and not stagnating as a person until the Universe feels the time is right to return whatever you desire to your life.
What surrendering does is shifts your focus away longing for something that is missing or not there to creating space and opportunity for something new to come in.
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What a true statement!!!!! They are only going to (if they are good) predict the future, which will happen regardless if we call or not.
On Keen, I have not spent that much, I do like they go through paypal, so it is quick process. But I have not found anyone that was good for me, at least for things that came true.
OKAY....Now for my big questions, CP used to have a psychic who was as good as Leslie, her name was Battina, she is no longer on CP/I do remember seeing her somewhere on another psychic site....if anyone knows who she is and where she is now....please let me know.
trust yourself
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Her name spelled Bettina....Ugh if only I would not get these urges to call!
What a true statement!!!!! They are only going to (if they are good) predict the future, which will happen regardless if we call or not.
On Keen, I have not spent that much, I do like they go through paypal, so it is quick process. But I have not found anyone that was good for me, at least for things that came true.
OKAY....Now for my big questions, CP used to have a psychic who was as good as Leslie, her name was Battina, she is no longer on CP/I do remember seeing her somewhere on another psychic site....if anyone knows who she is and where she is now....please let me know.
trust yourself
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Just started to google Psychic Bettina....lordy lord....quite a few Bettina's.....I surrender!!!!!!!!
Whatever is going to happen is going to happen!
Her name spelled Bettina....Ugh if only I would not get these urges to call!
What a true statement!!!!! They are only going to (if they are good) predict the future, which will happen regardless if we call or not.
On Keen, I have not spent that much, I do like they go through paypal, so it is quick process. But I have not found anyone that was good for me, at least for things that came true.
OKAY....Now for my big questions, CP used to have a psychic who was as good as Leslie, her name was Battina, she is no longer on CP/I do remember seeing her somewhere on another psychic site....if anyone knows who she is and where she is now....please let me know.
trust yourself
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trust yourself
Absolutely! We are our own best psychics!
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Bella, there is a Bettina on psychic source.
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http://www.keen.com/psychic-readings/life-questions/madam-bettina/9439496
Madam Bettina on Keen
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Thanks all for the info on Bettina, I am so burned out from psychics....it is almost depressing!
Yes I must learn to trust myself and get off the psychic merry go round!
http://www.keen.com/psychic-readings/life-questions/madam-bettina/9439496
Madam Bettina on Keen
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I have wasted a lot of money on psychics specifically on liveperson and bit a keen but this forum helped me to CHOOSE the better ones. Some good readers i think that's been accurate are; Aries Intuition, Tripple moon goddess, Ellen Hartwell, Spiritualist reader aka Cookie, Lady persephone, In my heart, Lady celest, lisa dianne, destiny UK, Abundant visions and a couple others.
These readers, I chose after reading through this forum. The work/job situation they describe was accurate. BUT HONESTLY SPEAKING (besides the negative predictions of Aries Intuition and tripple moon goddess), nothing has panned out. Luckily, their timeline/time frame is NOW approached. They all said SEPTEMBER/OCTOBER or max. NOVEMBER.
My question/concern, - WHEN WILL I FIND A JOB- ANY JOB? ANY JOB IN MY FIELD, PART TIME, FULL TIME ANYONE? TO GET ME GOING.....
Already wrong Psychics
-Burning Phoenix
- Psychic Stellan
-Whisperer aka Tammy (forgot her full screen name)
-Faery Lady
- Shoshoun
-Tarot with Jane
- celtic moon aka kate
-stella by starlight
- Readings by Raven ( not completely wrong yet) but still....
-shooting star ( even sent free min but i didn't use. Want to see whose predictions pan out. if i get job, i stick to the Good ones.And job means ANY JOB in my field.
But yes, psychics can be scary accurate but you never know when, who and how? once in 2004 i was in my native country and was dating someone there. They started ignoring me. i went to an old lady. She touched my hands.... and said STOP WASTING YOUR TIME ON HIM. HE'S NOT THE ONE. THE ONE YOURS WILL BE YOU FIND ABROAD, A BIG COUNTRY, HE WILL BE OF DIFFERENT RACE AND HIS NAME WILL START FROM R.
OK, i came and forgot. Eventually i broke up with the present guy. It was year 2004. Life went on.... met and dated dozens. Travelled all around the world for education and job.In 2011 finally came to US. Met many here as well. In 2014 MET MY SM and on 30th JUL 2016, got married to my wonder man..... RYAN...Yes R. This cant be a fluff but it took about 12-13 years to have this prediction happened. Fyi, I am from Pakistan and he's American, half polish. We are so different, yet so alike in life goals, desires, values, tastes. i am SO HAPPY it didn't work out with anyone before so that it would work out with R.
Guys, psychics can be true... but timelines CAN DECEIVE.
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I agree with your statement before my psychic addiction, I had one psychic that I would talk to ,I talked to her when my ex and I broke up in 2014. She said you guys will get back together in October. When I tell you I went through I went through hell, him kicking me out of his house for no reason, only texting me when he wanted something, seeing him talk about other girls on social media. I thought she was wrong there was even a time when I called her to confirm that we would still get back together and she said she does not see happening. I was so crushed and gave up. Then one day in November I texted him saying I missed him he responded postively and we ended up getting back together In Feburary 2015. This was 5 months after October. So you are right sometimes prediction can happen but time frame is very wrong.