The Psychic Reviews
Metaphysical, Spiritual and Psychic Discussions => Keen.com => Topic started by: HazelYella on August 07, 2021, 03:00:06 AM
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I can pretty much confirm the following readers share notes/info about clients, because their wording, predictions, etc was exactly the same verbatim:
Louisebell
IngridCapron
Wonder what type of system/database they use to share data? Regular old email, chat?
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Lol Louisebell blocked me for no reason, never even read with her.
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Even if two readers shared info say they were friends. It makes no sense to use identical wordings.
Realistically how would one know you’re going to call the other? Are you a regular with both? If it’s your first time with each, I doubt they’d be able to remember it or go through a file before a call.
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There are forums and social media groups where information is shared about callers.
They absolutely do.
Even in the Keen platform there is an advisor forum where advisors discuss callers.
Your life is NOT private. Some examples attached.
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YOU ARE A READER ON KEEN! How else would you have access to their "forum"???? Buh-bye!
There are forums and social media groups where information is shared about callers.
They absolutely do.
Even in the Keen platform there is an advisor forum where advisors discuss callers.
Your life is NOT private. Some examples attached.
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There are forums and social media groups where information is shared about callers.
They absolutely do.
Even in the Keen platform there is an advisor forum where advisors discuss callers.
Your life is NOT private. Some examples attached.
Ugh- sadly I agree with these notes and can admit they’re probably talking about me 😅😅😅
Minus the tweaker BF … I hope 🤞 👀
I mean is this gotcha moment? but the truth is how often I have called because I can’t emotionally handle myself and how I projected myself to former lovers
The fact is: when my fantasy does not match current reality and I am having an emotional upset … it’s a form of entertainment indeed
And with these posts you been posting reads like you’re having trouble too… accepting n stuff
But this does help burst the bubble more so thanks
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There are forums and social media groups where information is shared about callers.
They absolutely do.
Even in the Keen platform there is an advisor forum where advisors discuss callers.
Your life is NOT private. Some examples attached.
Thank you so much for this Jessica.. it is an eye opener.. it’s good to see some bad good intentions while others like seer1 cares about the money and business.. thank you
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It's very unethical. reading should be private.
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I can pretty much confirm the following readers share notes/info about clients, because their wording, predictions, etc was exactly the same verbatim:
Louisebell
IngridCapron
Wonder what type of system/database they use to share data? Regular old email, chat?
What benefits do they receive from sharing notes? Unless they are pooling their incomes, it can't be financial.
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They share notes, example, poi name and star sign.
So next time you call, they say oh does your ex have this letter in his name? So you think they are psychic and you carry on calling. I believe the phone companies with lots of psyschcis so this.
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I don’t have access to the forum. Someone sent this to me after I told her how advisors discuss private information.
She went and looked and was shocked. And sent me the screenshots.
These were just a few posts. She said there were a minimum of hundreds.
It’s incredibly unethical to post about client calls.
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Well I read with Joelle Cham based on the screenshot attached on here.. since she is so strict with quality clients.. so I’ll l wait and see how things unfold from her reading and let you guys know how it goes
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Mmmmhmmmm...
I don’t have access to the forum. Someone sent this to me after I told her how advisors discuss private information.
She went and looked and was shocked. And sent me the screenshots.
These were just a few posts. She said there were a minimum of hundreds.
It’s incredibly unethical to post about client calls.
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Well I read with Joelle Cham based on the screenshot attached on here.. since she is so strict with quality clients.. so I’ll l wait and see how things unfold from her reading and let you guys know how it goes
What?! That doesn’t make sense. So you spent money on crappy reader who is picky about their clientele… to see if they’ll block you?
Sadly this makes what Heartsong says about us right!
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No… I did NOT read with her to see if she would block me.. I wanted to see how much quality she had in her reading considering what she actually said on that forum..
no need to get all pointy over it and make all assumptions... relax man
she gave me predictions.. I am now going to wait and see
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I just re-read what heartstrong said..Heartstrong actually is right..
Many women do call for that reason.. and there are so many women that call over a man who is already married as I have seen on here too.. and then when there is a reader that tells them the actual reality.. they discredit the reader and talk crap about the reader..
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I think the idea is to understand how much scam and fraud and lack of ethics goes in to the making of a site line Keen. I’ve had honest feedback removed. I’ve been called a basher. I am on lists that advisors circulate for various reasons. I have been accused of being a Keen advisor…apparently most recently in this forum. And why? Because someone who isn’t actually accurate says things that are not true and they get mad when I make a review.
I would never say all are frauds and fakes, but I suspect most are.
Some are outright nasty and destructive, but that’s a different story.
Keen advisors share details about callers. Not all advisors and not about all clients, but that they do this is a fact.
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Again I keep asking and no one as of yet has had an answer. How do the advisors benefit from sharing info about us? Unless they are all pooling their incomes, or it is one person with a bunch of advisor accounts, why on earth would they want to share their client info that could certainly make another advisor look better than themselves? I mean to say that if I were an advisor and someone told me that they were going on a cruise around the world with their poi in July, why would I want to share that info with other advisors , enabling them pretend to spontaneously "pick up " on a cruise in July, making them look brilliantly gifted , while I look fake or at best just okay? That would be a lot of potential future income that I would have given away to another - in effect down the drain for me, don't you think? This topic comes up alot and I have yet to understand the logic, sorry.
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EXACTLY. Sharing "frustrations" in a forum does not equal "sharing notes amongst advisors". "Someone" told me once that keen doesn't allow specific names to be posted in their forums. Sooo...
Again I keep asking and no one as of yet has had an answer. How do the advisors benefit from sharing info about us? Unless they are all pooling their incomes, or it is one person with a bunch of advisor accounts, why on earth would they want to share their client info that could certainly make another advisor look better than themselves? I mean to say that if I were an advisor and someone told me that they were going on a cruise around the world with their poi , would I want to share that info with other advisors enabling them to pretend to "pick up" on that cruise detail, making them look brilliantly gifted , while I look fake or at best just okay? That's a lot of potential future income down the drain, don't you think? This topic comes up alot and I have yet to understand the logic, sorry.
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Why do they do it? I would assume there are money and ego angles. Just like almost every form of cheating and fraud activity on earth.
Are you implying that, because you can’t fathom WHY people would do it, that they don’t do it ? I mean, you are entitled to that belief. I don’t know why they do it, aside from making their friends look good…maybe there is social pressure or expectation amongst cliques. Also, maybe Keen and other platforms train on this, I don’t know. I do know that within Keen there are clusters of advisors that are part of the same company (same Tax Id). I’ve had calls with advisors who have referred me to others in their cluster. I think smaller companies have also been purchased or absorbed. Does this mean they are frauds, no, not out of the gate. They do benefit from having their cluster excel, even if they don’t share funds. Though you brought up an interesting thought…maybe they DO pool, I don’t know.
Understanding this is like trying to understand why people engage in fraud at all. Good people just generally won’t get it because they don’t think like that. Why works endlessly to defraud someone when you can just get a job? But not everyone is good or raised with honest work effort.
Again I keep asking and no one as of yet has had an answer. How do the advisors benefit from sharing info about us? Unless they are all pooling their incomes, or it is one person with a bunch of advisor accounts, why on earth would they want to share their client info that could certainly make another advisor look better than themselves? I mean to say that if I were an advisor and someone told me that they were going on a cruise around the world with their poi in July, why would I want to share that info with other advisors , enabling them pretend to spontaneously "pick up " on a cruise in July, making them look brilliantly gifted , while I look fake or at best just okay? That would be a lot of potential future income that I would have given away to another - in effect down the drain for me, don't you think? This topic comes up alot and I have yet to understand the logic, sorry.
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They definitely share notes. I’m sure it’s not everyone but groups of them absolutely do.
However, it doesn’t matter if you believe it or not, now does it?
Sharing frustrations? I’d say discussing client issues is more than venting frustrations.
EXACTLY. Sharing "frustrations" in a forum does not equal "sharing notes amongst advisors". "Someone" told me once that keen doesn't allow specific names to be posted in their forums. Sooo...
Again I keep asking and no one as of yet has had an answer. How do the advisors benefit from sharing info about us? Unless they are all pooling their incomes, or it is one person with a bunch of advisor accounts, why on earth would they want to share their client info that could certainly make another advisor look better than themselves? I mean to say that if I were an advisor and someone told me that they were going on a cruise around the world with their poi , would I want to share that info with other advisors enabling them to pretend to "pick up" on that cruise detail, making them look brilliantly gifted , while I look fake or at best just okay? That's a lot of potential future income down the drain, don't you think? This topic comes up alot and I have yet to understand the logic, sorry.
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They definitely share notes. I’m sure it’s not everyone but groups of them absolutely do. I agree: " not everyone but groups ..." There must be some that pool notes to pool income. They are probably relatives and friends who are pulling this scam. I suspect that many even have more than one account and may do only chat readings so you will not recognize their voices in case you have spoken to them on their other advisors accounts. As far as corruption, I would for sure say that from my personal experience , most of them have no business calling themselves psychic and a huge percentage of them are knowingly taking advantage of us at our weakest points.
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However, it doesn’t matter if you believe it or not, now does it? Of course it matters. When someone smears an entire group of people, no matter who they are , with the same brush , it matters if it's believed [/b]
Sharing frustrations? I’d say discussing client issues is more than venting frustrations. Please provide the names of the clients they are speaking about to show that its more then venting. I would be curious to know their names. Could be me from 3 years ago, or my niece, cousin or my recently divorced bestie.
EXACTLY. Sharing "frustrations" in a forum does not equal "sharing notes amongst advisors". "Someone" told me once that keen doesn't allow specific names to be posted in their forums. Sooo...
Again I keep asking and no one as of yet has had an answer. How do the advisors benefit from sharing info about us? Unless they are all pooling their incomes, or it is one person with a bunch of advisor accounts, why on earth would they want to share their client info that could certainly make another advisor look better than themselves? I mean to say that if I were an advisor and someone told me that they were going on a cruise around the world with their poi , would I want to share that info with other advisors enabling them to pretend to "pick up" on that cruise detail, making them look brilliantly gifted , while I look fake or at best just okay? That's a lot of potential future income down the drain, don't you think? This topic comes up alot and I have yet to understand the logic, sorry.
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Well, I did not start this thread. The idea that note sharing across advisors is pretty much an understood idea.
Posting a few images was not intended to slander an entire population of people. Quite frankly many threads here do that already. It was just to exemplify that advisors DO engage in unethical activities. Not surprisingly at all.
I was accused of being a keen advisor, and lying about it. Which shows clearlt what we think keen advisors are likely to do. That anyone thinks I’m lying about being an advisor shows exactly what they think of keen advisors lol. And while it’s an untrue statement, I totally get why someone would believe that a keen advisor would be in here posting images hahahaha.
What you BELIEVE doesn’t make something true or not and it doesn’t matter.
I made the statement in support of the topic of this thread. Keen advisors share information about callers amongst themselves
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You make it sound like there's this nefarious group of keen advisors that somehow share notes on readings. Do you understand what that would require to fool most people??? First of all, they would have to recommend all the advisors with whom they're sharing notes to their clients. Last I checked, not a single one on there is sending a client to another advisor. They're trying to keep and grow their own clientele.
Whether or not you're a keen advisor seems to only matter to you now. Why do you keep bringing it up? Hmmmm....
Well, I did not start this thread. The idea that note sharing across advisors is pretty much an understood idea.
Posting a few images was not intended to slander an entire population of people. Quite frankly many threads here do that already. It was just to exemplify that advisors DO engage in unethical activities. Not surprisingly at all.
I was accused of being a keen advisor, and lying about it. Which shows clearlt what we think keen advisors are likely to do. That anyone thinks I’m lying about being an advisor shows exactly what they think of keen advisors lol. And while it’s an untrue statement, I totally get why someone would believe that a keen advisor would be in here posting images hahahaha.
What you BELIEVE doesn’t make something true or not and it doesn’t matter.
I made the statement in support of the topic of this thread. Keen advisors share information about callers amongst themselves
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Well, I did not start this thread. The idea that note sharing across advisors is pretty much an understood idea.
Posting a few images was not intended to slander an entire population of people. Quite frankly many threads here do that already. It was just to exemplify that advisors DO engage in unethical activities. Not surprisingly at all.
I was accused of being a keen advisor, and lying about it. Which shows clearlt what we think keen advisors are likely to do. That anyone thinks I’m lying about being an advisor shows exactly what they think of keen advisors lol. And while it’s an untrue statement, I totally get why someone would believe that a keen advisor would be in here posting images hahahaha.
What you BELIEVE doesn’t make something true or not and it doesn’t matter.
I made the statement in support of the topic of this thread. Keen advisors share information about callers amongst themselves
To be frank FOR ME I find even posting screenshots of their board on here pretty unethical. Like why though? (So someone shared those screenshots to you, but were they meant to be shared like this publicly or just for you?)
What you have shared, my presumption, to me this reads like the gig app boards for doordash /Uber on reddit or fb groups. Basically sharing on the type of customers ppl hate to get. (Which yeah I get it rampage me is scary)
It sounds like you’re aware of the basher list, which that doesn’t seem to have been updated (at least publicly) in over a year. But who knows maybe advisors note share that list privately? … probably 🤷🏻♀️
I’m sure readers do share specific details about us … but I don’t have the specific proof, and welp it’s on me if I call them. I sadly am not losing sleep, or changing… which is sad… anywho
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If they can post it, it can be shared. Nothing unethical about sharing comments made publicly.
I was not provided terms for sharing screenshots. These are comments made in a public space.
The advisor forum itself is actually mirrored in a publicly available domain.
When did anything said on the internet suddenly become private 😂 😂
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This is an entire site dedicated to reviewing psychics. There was no boundary on HOW they should be reviewed.
How many posts and threads discuss advisors by member name? How many threads and posts are about mass fraud? They discuss callers. Share publicly their problems.
I don’t know anything about the frequency of a basher list, but an advisor told me I was on it. Which both surprised and did not surprise me. Leaving honest feedback about a bad reading and being blamed for it by the bad reader is not unexpected given the lack of professionalism across the board on these sites.
It’s not unethical to post forum screen shots from a public forum. Just as screenshots of this forums are likely circulating
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To be frank FOR ME I find even posting screenshots of their board on here pretty unethical. Like why though? (So someone shared those screenshots to you, but were they meant to be shared like this publicly or just for you?)
So you're more worried about the reader's message board getting exposed rather than these readers speaking publicly on readings which are supposed to be a PRIVATE matter? Make it make sense.
When we do readings with these advisors we go in with the idea and understanding that this reading would be private and not spoken about to third parties.
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To be frank FOR ME I find even posting screenshots of their board on here pretty unethical. Like why though? (So someone shared those screenshots to you, but were they meant to be shared like this publicly or just for you?)
So you're more worried about the reader's message board getting exposed rather than these readers speaking publicly on readings which are supposed to be a PRIVATE matter? Make it make sense.
When we do readings with these advisors we go in with the idea and understanding that this reading would be private and not spoken about to third parties.
Of course I cares 😉 -I posted my rampage recently back too.
Plus, There nothing logical on why I call, I own that … see that’s called accountability.
But again and let me ask:
why share these screenshots? What’s the motivation behind that? And agree why do you have access to these screenshots? Is this friend a psychic? Or did you make an account as an advisor to see what ppl share? It sounds like a rampage … k, have fun with that.
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It’s not a rampage. Honestly, I’m not sure what you mean by that. I did not start this thread; I responded to an ongoing discussion.
I call keen and similar sites because I recognize there are gifted people in existence. I’ve met a few on these sites. I’m pretty pragmatic though. If I have a reading and the advisor is off or abusive, I leave such feedback. This has, according to someone I called, resulted in me being placed on something known as the basher list. I’ve not seen the list. Another advisor told me I was being discussed in the keen forum and in other places. Someone accused me of being a “jealous advisor”. I’m not sure what that means, but apparently it is a motive for leaving back feedback.
Truth? If I go to Starbucks and buy a latte but they give me an iced tea, I will say something politely. If they try to gaslight me and convince me that the is a latte, I’ll laugh outright. If they don’t refund my money, I’ll just have the charge reversed. I will also leave feedback on Yelp, Google reviews, etc.
Most keen advisors seem to be trying to give me tea when I ordered a latte. The majority are polite but a few gaslight and a lesser fee get abusive and angry. However, I hold to my right to review their “business”.
I have about 20 screenshots, several that include personal details as to why I called. And other advisors commenting that they spoke to me too. It was a weird discussion and Keen did actually take it down. An advisor I speak with shared this because she felt that I had the right to know. There was a lot of similar BS. I am not a keen advisor. Not sure why you think this. I did not create an account to see what people are saying. I also don’t know why you think this. Then again, you already accepted being irrational.
Ultimately you are free to believe what you choose. I was responding to a thread and I will continue to do so. I was surprised to see that other people knew that advisors shared details of callers.
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It’s not a rampage. Honestly, I’m not sure what you mean by that. I did not start this thread; I responded to an ongoing discussion.
I call keen and similar sites because I recognize there are gifted people in existence. I’ve met a few on these sites. I’m pretty pragmatic though. If I have a reading and the advisor is off or abusive, I leave such feedback. This has, according to someone I called, resulted in me being placed on something known as the basher list. I’ve not seen the list. Another advisor told me I was being discussed in the keen forum and in other places. Someone accused me of being a “jealous advisor”. I’m not sure what that means, but apparently it is a motive for leaving back feedback.
Truth? If I go to Starbucks and buy a latte but they give me an iced tea, I will say something politely. If they try to gaslight me and convince me that the is a latte, I’ll laugh outright. If they don’t refund my money, I’ll just have the charge reversed. I will also leave feedback on Yelp, Google reviews, etc.
Most keen advisors seem to be trying to give me tea when I ordered a latte. The majority are polite but a few gaslight and a lesser fee get abusive and angry. However, I hold to my right to review their “business”.
I have about 20 screenshots, several that include personal details as to why I called. And other advisors commenting that they spoke to me too. It was a weird discussion and Keen did actually take it down. An advisor I speak with shared this because she felt that I had the right to know. There was a lot of similar BS. I am not a keen advisor. Not sure why you think this. I did not create an account to see what people are saying. I also don’t know why you think this. Then again, you already accepted being irrational.
Ultimately you are free to believe what you choose. I was responding to a thread and I will continue to do so. I was surprised to see that other people knew that advisors shared details of callers.
Ohhhhh i get it
Yeah no readers see as a Karen
Sorry
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How would you know that Keen took the discussion down? Your explanations just don't add up.
It’s not a rampage. Honestly, I’m not sure what you mean by that. I did not start this thread; I responded to an ongoing discussion.
I call keen and similar sites because I recognize there are gifted people in existence. I’ve met a few on these sites. I’m pretty pragmatic though. If I have a reading and the advisor is off or abusive, I leave such feedback. This has, according to someone I called, resulted in me being placed on something known as the basher list. I’ve not seen the list. Another advisor told me I was being discussed in the keen forum and in other places. Someone accused me of being a “jealous advisor”. I’m not sure what that means, but apparently it is a motive for leaving back feedback.
Truth? If I go to Starbucks and buy a latte but they give me an iced tea, I will say something politely. If they try to gaslight me and convince me that the is a latte, I’ll laugh outright. If they don’t refund my money, I’ll just have the charge reversed. I will also leave feedback on Yelp, Google reviews, etc.
Most keen advisors seem to be trying to give me tea when I ordered a latte. The majority are polite but a few gaslight and a lesser fee get abusive and angry. However, I hold to my right to review their “business”.
I have about 20 screenshots, several that include personal details as to why I called. And other advisors commenting that they spoke to me too. It was a weird discussion and Keen did actually take it down. An advisor I speak with shared this because she felt that I had the right to know. There was a lot of similar BS. I am not a keen advisor. Not sure why you think this. I did not create an account to see what people are saying. I also don’t know why you think this. Then again, you already accepted being irrational.
Ultimately you are free to believe what you choose. I was responding to a thread and I will continue to do so. I was surprised to see that other people knew that advisors shared details of callers.
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Don’t add up to…what?
The advisor who shared the screenshot told me it was removed.
Like I said, I did not start this thread. I am contributing to it with my valid experience.
But have fun with your false beliefs. I honestly don’t care what anyone thinks. Facts are facts
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You post a bunch of screenshots that, again, have no usernames listed (because it's not allowed) and say that your "keen advisor friend" sent them to you because she knew they were talking about you? Yeah, not believable. You have fun with your lies Ms. keen advisor who likes to bash other advisors.
Don’t add up to…what?
The advisor who shared the screenshot told me it was removed.
Like I said, I did not start this thread. I am contributing to it with my valid experience.
But have fun with your false beliefs. I honestly don’t care what anyone thinks. Facts are facts
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Lol. Ok. You should call keen and get a reading on that.
;D ;D ;D
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Gosh, I would, but then I'd have to rely on my Keen advisor friend to then send me screenshots of how they all talk about me because I don't know how to handle being a nightmare client. :) :) :)
Lol. Ok. You should call keen and get a reading on that.
;D ;D ;D
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It seems you know the path to that quite well.
Not a surprise. You’re shady as all get up
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I'm shady because I'm calling out your lies? YAWN.....
It seems you know the path to that quite well.
Not a surprise. You’re shady as all get up