The Psychic Reviews
Metaphysical, Spiritual and Psychic Discussions => Keen.com => Topic started by: pprincess on January 16, 2018, 08:14:10 AM
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I just wanted to bust some myths I’ve been reading on here.
1) All Keen Advisors are Just There for Money
No, not all advisors are there for the money. Some of us truly enjoy using our gifts to help others and actually get very tense and restless if some of that energy isn’t directed outwards. Keen gives us an easily-accessible outlet that is convenient for those of us that have demanding day jobs so can’t schedule a lot of in-person readings at reasonable hours.
Also, even when we aren’t in it for the income, many of us are forced to charge more than the minimum because charging the minimum means you have to deal with all of the most abusive callers. You get an exponentially greater quality of client at $5 per minute versus $2 per minute. When your rate is the minimum, you get nonstop calls from underage kids and psychic-hoppers trying to rush an answer out of you in 1 minute or less and will then rate you based on how your yes/no answer compared to what everyone else told them. Nobody wants to take those calls. If you want to work with clients who are actually looking for insight, you either have to charge more than the minimum, or just hang up instantly on the majority of the calls you get.
And even the readers that are indeed working on Keen full-time for income: So, what’s wrong with that? If you have a skill or gift, should you not use it as your day job if you can and if you enjoy it? Do you think it’s such a fun job that people want to do it all day every day for free?
2) Keen Advisors Share Information on Clients
This one I really don’t understand. In what way would it benefit me to share client information with another advisor? Wouldn’t that just lose me clients because that advisor would appear to know more than I did when the client called them? And that’s if the client happened to even call that advisor – there are hundreds of advisors active on Keen at any moment and thousands of clients. So here we have to assume that I give your info to a friend, you happen to call that friend at some point, and that friend then is able to access the info I gave them on you, read it, answer your call and have all this info ready within 60 seconds? No.
There are basher lists available online that list out the Keen usernames of people who consistently leave one-star ratings, but those lists – as you can google for yourself – don’t contain personal information about the clients that can be used to fake being psychic. And if you’re on that list and a reader finds you there, they most likely won’t take your call at all.
In terms of the reader-only forums on Keen: You have to have a few hundred ratings in order to view them so don’t believe the clients on here who say they have a reader account so that they can view the forums. They can’t see the real ones unless they have been actively working as a reader on Keen for a while, but rest assured that Keen heavily monitors the forums and does not allow us to share any client information there at all. If we even complain about a rating they will delete the post, which is why the online basher lists exist at all.
3) Readers Purposely Lie to You
As an occasional client on Keen I’ve received my share of bogus predictions, but I don’t believe that the readers purposely misled me. I think some readers are totally bogus, and if you watch you will see that many get weeded out by the feedback system rather quickly. But it doesn’t even make sense that we would be giving out lies that we know will never happen because – duh – we will get terrible feedback, no repeat clients, and will no longer be able to use the site. I think we all do our best, and often times our callers just do not listen to our advice. I can’t even begin to remember all the times I’ve told a client that in order to reach a favorable outcome they had to take a certain action or behave a certain way, then they came back and told me they did the opposite. The future is changeable and subject to your free will. If you are not going to follow the advice of your advisor then how do you expect to get the outcome they predicted?
One more thing I want to point out is that the population that posts here is not representative of the majority of the clientele on Keen. It seems to be a pretty small sample of psychic-hoppers. The clients who come to us once a month for guidance or only when they are at a crossroads in their relationship or career (those who use readings in a healthy way and have an excellent relationship with their trusted advisor) are not the ones who are posting here, yet those are the ones you would actually want to listen to if you wanted to know which advisors to call.
If you have questions about the reader perspective on Keen I’ll try to answer them, but do not ask what my Keen username is because I’m not here to gain or lose clients. I was just reading some really bitter stuff on here and a lot of people blaming psychics for their relationship problems so I thought I’d put in a couple of my own cents.
BTW: If you are so anxious about your relationship that you call 15 psychics to find out what’s going to happen in that relationship: the answer is NOTHING because you’ve already destroyed it with your intensity and anxiety and insecurity. The object of your obsession can sense it and finds it unattractive and repellent. Nobody wants to be around that kind of energy (including the psychics). Stop calling us and work on being more easy-going.
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Something I forgot to add but would like to put out there: I see a lot of people here seem to have a problem with us not being as attached to you as you might be to us, so I want to remind you that this is a totally one-sided relationship. We listen to you and try to give you insight and other perspectives on your problems, but you do not listen to our problems. If you look through feedback you will see that clients get very disgruntled if a psychic tries to tell them anything about their own life so most of us avoid it. You’re paying and it’s your reading and it’s all about you. That makes our relationship more similar to a relationship you’d have with a therapist than to a friend. We do not build real friendships on Keen because our conversation is all about you. That doesn’t mean we don’t care, but still, we aren’t friends.
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Thank you for your post - I found it very interesting, and really appreciate your thoughts.
I never thought that the good advisors I have spoken to are just in it for the money. I genuinely value the readers I have created an ongoing relationship with and do follow the advice given to the best of my ability.
However, one paragraph I do question:
"One more thing I want to point out is that the population that posts here is not representative of the majority of the clientele on Keen. It seems to be a pretty small sample of psychic-hoppers. The clients who come to us once a month for guidance or only when they are at a crossroads in their relationship or career (those who use readings in a healthy way and have an excellent relationship with their trusted advisor) are not the ones who are posting here, yet those are the ones you would actually want to listen to if you wanted to know which advisors to call."
Based on my own experience, I disagree with the above.
There may be a few who call instant chat services once a month or so when they are at a crossroads (although if this was the case, I don't know why they would not book an appointment for a private reading as it is far more affordable.)
Rather, I imagine that Keen and other platforms attract a larger majority of people that find themselves emotionally trapped in a situation, and in the process of looking for advice and a way out of the emotional pain, get addicted to the temporary relief talking to a psychic can bring.
This sounds like the "psychic hoppers" you refer to. Unfortunately, the instant chat service (whilst it can be very useful for quick advice) all too often lends itself to creating this type of addiction.
I think for the people on this forum, we'd be better of if psychic advice was still available by appointment only.
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There may be a few who call instant chat services once a month or so when they are at a crossroads (although if this was the case, I don't know why they would not book an appointment for a private reading as it is far more affordable.)
Rather, I imagine that Keen and other platforms attract a larger majority of people that find themselves emotionally trapped in a situation, and in the process of looking for advice and a way out of the emotional pain, get addicted to the temporary relief talking to a psychic can bring.
I have literally over a hundred clients who call me on Keen only on a monthly (or every couple month) basis or only when they are going through a major life change or are stuck in a rut. And I'm only one reader who works only part time/sporadically on Keen. Those people make up the majority of the clientele, I assure you.
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There may be a few who call instant chat services once a month or so when they are at a crossroads (although if this was the case, I don't know why they would not book an appointment for a private reading as it is far more affordable.)
Rather, I imagine that Keen and other platforms attract a larger majority of people that find themselves emotionally trapped in a situation, and in the process of looking for advice and a way out of the emotional pain, get addicted to the temporary relief talking to a psychic can bring.
I have literally over a hundred clients who call me on Keen only on a monthly (or every couple month) basis or only when they are going through a major life change or are stuck in a rut. And I'm only one reader who works only part time/sporadically on Keen. Those people make up the majority of the clientele, I assure you.
Sure - but are you sure they are not calling other psychics in-between calling you? There is only one psychic I have read with weekly - the others I have only touched base with once a month or so.. when I'm looking for a new opinion etc.
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PPrincess thank you for sharing. This is a good conversation between you and Kate, very insightful on both parts. I have two psychics I call on a monthly basis and I deeply value their guidance...couldn't live without it. However, as Kate stated, I do call other psychics in between. I call one because she is fun to talk to, another because she is great with my animals, another one is an astrologer - so I get a mixture. I NEVER leave anything less than five stars because I realize they are trying to make a living. Unfortunately, just like you guys get abusive callers, we also get readers who are simply guessing - they have no talent. Therefore we (the callers) are forced to call several to find one good one that we can connect with, thus the "hopping".
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PPrincess thank you for sharing. This is a good conversation between you and Kate, very insightful on both parts. I have two psychics I call on a monthly basis and I deeply value their guidance...couldn't live without it. However, as Kate stated, I do call other psychics in between. I call one because she is fun to talk to, another because she is great with my animals, another one is an astrologer - so I get a mixture. I NEVER leave anything less than five stars because I realize they are trying to make a living. Unfortunately, just like you guys get abusive callers, we also get readers who are simply guessing - they have no talent. Therefore we (the callers) are forced to call several to find one good one that we can connect with, thus the "hopping".
So so true - it has taken hundreds of calls to end up with the handful I talk to now -and this forum has assisted immensely.
I've met someone who has become a very close friend through this forum. I also found the best readers by taking member's advice.
Additionally, it has helped me with the LoA and not calling so often. I really value the psychics I talk to now.
One has really changed my life for the better - she is amazing.
So yes - I am a self confessed psychic hopper - or at least I was. Now I stick with those who have been validated through time, experience....and too many $$.
It's a rare skill and I think we all appreciate the energy it takes to read someone, and sympathise with the abuse some callers must give (or their unrealistic expectations.)
I recall one psychic I consult often telling me he charges a little more because he wants to filter out callers that are time wasters or abusive (i.e. $5 a min rather than $2).
However, there is another psychic I read with on occasion on Keen who won't charge more than the minimum on principle.
He genuinely wants to help his callers, and this always comes across in the advice he gives. I enjoy my calls with him far more because of it. I never feel the need to hurry him, or the panic I feel when being charged over $5 a min.
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I am going to pipe up too, as I also have "psychic hopped" while trying to find the ones that worked best for me. AND - after coming to this forum, found some that I felt worked for me. And I would try not to call any of them all the time. BUT when I would get overly anxious about my situation, confused or whatever, I too would call more than just my fav go to's. I no longer have an account on Keen, I am trying really hard not to get readings (though I have had a couple on another platform I have used over the years) and yes, I miss being able to have my go to's at the ready for me. Which is something I am working on in myself to hopefully have my situation play out the way it is meant to.
I don't think the majority of those on this site are what pprincess claimed them to be. Not saying that there isn't a few because it is clear that some are. Also, I agree, that we are responsible for our outcomes, and that we can't blame the psychics if "nothing ever happens" and they are "all scammers" and "all frauds". When we are consistently doing things to sabotage our outcomes. We are also the ones responsible for calling hundreds of psychics in a month (if we are) and spending our money on psychics, you can't blame the psychics for that. Sure there are some scammers out there, but I also think there are some very genuine and ethical readers out there as well.
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I am going to pipe up too, as I also have "psychic hopped" while trying to find the ones that worked best for me. AND - after coming to this forum, found some that I felt worked for me. And I would try not to call any of them all the time. BUT when I would get overly anxious about my situation, confused or whatever, I too would call more than just my fav go to's. I no longer have an account on Keen, I am trying really hard not to get readings (though I have had a couple on another platform I have used over the years) and yes, I miss being able to have my go to's at the ready for me. Which is something I am working on in myself to hopefully have my situation play out the way it is meant to.
I don't think the majority of those on this site are what pprincess claimed them to be. Not saying that there isn't a few because it is clear that some are. Also, I agree, that we are responsible for our outcomes, and that we can't blame the psychics if "nothing ever happens" and they are "all scammers" and "all frauds". When we are consistently doing things to sabotage our outcomes. We are also the ones responsible for calling hundreds of psychics in a month (if we are) and spending our money on psychics, you can't blame the psychics for that. Sure there are some scammers out there, but I also think there are some very genuine and ethical readers out there as well.
YES! that's an important point...it's like no one is forcing us to psychic hop and to spend all this money. Some people might call one or two psychics and then let things play out or not play out (LOL) and then move on with their lives. It's not the psychics fault if we go from one to the next and obsess...for me, it was all about alleviating my anxiety and getting different opinions, and that was the worst part of it! I think a healthier person than myself might just have called a few and moved ahead......
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I am going to pipe up too, as I also have "psychic hopped" while trying to find the ones that worked best for me. AND - after coming to this forum, found some that I felt worked for me. And I would try not to call any of them all the time. BUT when I would get overly anxious about my situation, confused or whatever, I too would call more than just my fav go to's. I no longer have an account on Keen, I am trying really hard not to get readings (though I have had a couple on another platform I have used over the years) and yes, I miss being able to have my go to's at the ready for me. Which is something I am working on in myself to hopefully have my situation play out the way it is meant to.
I don't think the majority of those on this site are what pprincess claimed them to be. Not saying that there isn't a few because it is clear that some are. Also, I agree, that we are responsible for our outcomes, and that we can't blame the psychics if "nothing ever happens" and they are "all scammers" and "all frauds". When we are consistently doing things to sabotage our outcomes. We are also the ones responsible for calling hundreds of psychics in a month (if we are) and spending our money on psychics, you can't blame the psychics for that. Sure there are some scammers out there, but I also think there are some very genuine and ethical readers out there as well.
YES! that's an important point...it's like no one is forcing us to psychic hop and to spend all this money. Some people might call one or two psychics and then let things play out or not play out (LOL) and then move on with their lives. It's not the psychics fault if we go from one to the next and obsess...for me, it was all about alleviating my anxiety and getting different opinions, and that was the worst part of it! I think a healthier person than myself might just have called a few and moved ahead......
I don't think it's the psychic's fault either. It is rather a consequence of platforms like Keen that offer such an easy service. Calling is like taking a painkiller at first.... it numbs emotional pain and easily becomes addictive for that reason.
For want of a better analogy, it's like gambling. Some cities have one casino. Sure a smaller percentage of people will get addicted and go there often, but most will only attend occasionally for a bit of "fun" say once a month or so, or on a special occasion.
However, other countries and cities have casinos on every street corner - as a consequence far more become addicted - it's too easily available.
I think that's my point re Keen and others..
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exactly right Kate...it's so easy to just click and chat.
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Good, enlightening post and exchange. Thank you.
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One more thing I want to point out is that the population that posts here is not representative of the majority of the clientele on Keen. It seems to be a pretty small sample of psychic-hoppers.
Painting with a pretty broad brush there, lol.
Are there a lot of psychic addicts here? Yes. Is everyone? No.
I do have this forum to thank for finding my two regulars, who I call every one to two months, depending on what is going on. There are a couple of others I speak to once in a while for a different perspective.
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Meh, all of what you posted can be countered. There were/are Keen advisors that share information, maybe not so much now since traffic is low. But it has happened
and they have been caught doing it. At one point, a few posters here shared too much informationa bout themselves, and a few readers would just regurgitate what was posted on
here. There are indeed readers that just say whatever to make a few quick bucks. I'm not understanding why these are "myths" as you classified them. Its one reason why we clients have
had to "hop" around....to actually find someone that is good at what they claim to do---predict the future and provide insight.
For the most part, I think this is an insightful board with most clients offering good feedback about the readers they have tried. There are some addicts here and a few delusionals,
but I would think we are just critiquing a service provided. I'm an active poster, but that dosent mean I'm calling everyday. I actually just stick to a few that I call once or twice a month. At this point, most of what I share is based on past experiences or truths being revealed after time has passed. Its actually good to look back a few years and see how things turned out for people. How else are we to determine if you are a quality reader or not?
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I expected this reaction to referring to the majority of posters here as psychic hoppers. Did it hit a nerve? Did you take that personally? You're making my point for me on that score. And you know it - most of the people posting here are addicts or recovering addicts. The majority of our clients are not on on this message board.
Yes I can usually tell when people are being obsessive and calling a bunch of us, and I can tell when they are seeking to be told what they want to hear and aren't really looking for guidance and real insight into their problems. I can tell when nothing I can say will actually get through to them. It is an anxious energy you get from the caller, it is obvious in the kinds of questions they ask, the way they respond to you, and in their reviews. When you are on an obsessive psychic-calling run you are not really receptive to what we have to say. You don't really seem to absorb what we say because you are too busy comparing it to what someone else said, and often rushing us because you have not budgeted for the reading but are instead over-spending as it is and hyper-aware of every minute. You think that doesn't come across?
If you are calling a few favorites for different reasons/different kinds of questions, then that is not what I'm talking about. But to insist that those here - people who use Keen so much that they seek out an online message board to discuss readers and predictions - are not a limited sample of the Keen client population is not rational. You can tell that just by looking at a single reader's reviews and comparing to that the number of posters here, or googling the clients that leave reviews and seeing how many other psychics they have left reviews for. Most of our clients do not have a psychic addiction.
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For want of a better analogy, it's like gambling. Some cities have one casino. Sure a smaller percentage of people will get addicted and go there often, but most will only attend occasionally for a bit of "fun" say once a month or so, or on a special occasion.
However, other countries and cities have casinos on every street corner - as a consequence far more become addicted - it's too easily available.
I think that's my point re Keen and others..
Yes gambling is a perfect analogy. If you walk through a casino and are even a little bit intuitive or empathic, you can tell who the compulsive gamblers are, who has a problem, who cannot afford to spend the money they are playing with. It's the same with clients. And this message board is analogous to a gambler's message board. Those who take a trip to Vegas once a year or drive to the local reservation one Sunday a month are not on the gambling message boards because why would they be? They have a healthy relationship with gambling so don't put a lot of energy into seeking out advice or support on the subject.
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I tend to think psychic readings are a bit different than gambling though (although I agree with Kate's analogy)...I mean you gamble, either you win or you lose, what is there going to be a forum about what slot machines pay out? LOL..but with readings, it's like pot luck trying to find a reader who actually works and is authentic and gets things right for you...so people seek out opinions. Same as yelp for stores and what not. Just because you are reading a Yelp review about a store doesn't make you a compulsive shopper...
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How else are clients supposed to seperate the wheat from the chaffe besides having review boards about these readers? Even if some here are addicts, the purpose of this board is still the same and on the up and up---to review readers. Let us face it, very few leave objective reviews on Keen, especially with a 2 week window to post them. Critical reviews are often taken down lately. California Psychics dosent even allow any negative reviews at all. Every reader is wonderful over there, supposedly. There are simply too many bad readers out there, whether you think the majority of
us are addicts or not. And there is no accountability in this profession--most of you don't even post your real names.
I'm not even blaming Keen or any other platform, because its just a platform. But the vast majority of you are questionable. This has been proven over time on this board. You yourself may not
be suspect, and its great to speak for yourself. But this board exists for very good reason.
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Most of our clients do not have a psychic addiction.
I don't believe this because if you look at some of the reviews on some of the higher costing readers on Keen, reviews are left constantly by the same person, multiple times. How are they not addicted if they are leaving so many reviews. Are we to believe it's because they are helping the reader to raise their rating score by leaving five stars all the time?
Some of the things you say are just questionable considering you work for Keen, but you aren't an analyst. You don't know the backgrounds of the majority of callers anymore than we do.
You're guessing based only on your worldview of clients that call you.
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I tend to think psychic readings are a bit different than gambling though (although I agree with Kate's analogy)...I mean you gamble, either you win or you lose, what is there going to be a forum about what slot machines pay out? LOL..but with readings, it's like pot luck trying to find a reader who actually works and is authentic and gets things right for you...so people seek out opinions. Same as yelp for stores and what not. Just because you are reading a Yelp review about a store doesn't make you a compulsive shopper...
I agree with this. And even if you are a compulsive shopper, you can still leave reviews on all the swag you've bought. Dosent discredit your review any less.
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I tend to think psychic readings are a bit different than gambling though (although I agree with Kate's analogy)...I mean you gamble, either you win or you lose, what is there going to be a forum about what slot machines pay out? LOL..but with readings, it's like pot luck trying to find a reader who actually works and is authentic and gets things right for you...so people seek out opinions. Same as yelp for stores and what not. Just because you are reading a Yelp review about a store doesn't make you a compulsive shopper...
I don't think the Yelp analogy quite works, because nobody is saying that the people who read the reviews on Keen have a problem. Yelp reviews would be analogous to a reader's reviews on Keen. This is a whole separate website and message board where people discuss Keen psychics. And yes there are all types of gambling message boards, chats, advice, etc.
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How else are clients supposed to seperate the wheat from the chaffe besides having review boards about these readers? Even if some here are addicts, the purpose of this board is still the same and on the up and up---to review readers. Let us face it, very few leave objective reviews on Keen, especially with a 2 week window to post them. Critical reviews are often taken down lately. California Psychics dosent even allow any negative reviews at all. Every reader is wonderful over there, supposedly. There are simply too many bad readers out there, whether you think the majority of
us are addicts or not. And there is no accountability in this profession--most of you don't even post your real names.
I'm not even blaming Keen or any other platform, because its just a platform. But the vast majority of you are questionable. This has been proven over time on this board. You yourself may not
be suspect, and its great to speak for yourself. But this board exists for very good reason.
Wow I cannot believe critical reviews aren't allowed on California Psychics. That's ridiculous and I would never use that site if that's true. There indeed would be no way to know who is any good. The feedback system exists for a good reason and I think Keen is very fair about it. If they favor anyone in regards to ratings, it's the clients. They are pretty strict about keeping the integrity of the system intact, and that is how you tell who is any good. No reader will be right all the time or work for everyone, so you have to just look at someone's feedback and try to find the common threads of truth in it. If a bunch of the one stars have the same complaint (she was washing dishes while talking to me), then you know the reader might wash dishes while talking to you. If the good reviews seem to all be from one or two people, that would be something to watch out for as well because it means that reader encourages people to call her over and over again, and I wouldn't trust the ones that feed into the addiction.
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Yelp is a platform just like Keen and has questionable reviews just like Keen.
A negative review can be removed, the same as any other platform from both Yelp and Keen, CP, Bitwine, Kasamba, Oranum, or just name any other platform out there.
Positive reviews can be left by anyone and friends post for another friend's business many times, just like Keen.
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Most of our clients do not have a psychic addiction.
I don't believe this because if you look at some of the reviews on some of the higher costing readers on Keen, reviews are left constantly by the same person, multiple times. How are they not addicted if they are leaving so many reviews. Are we to believe it's because they are helping the reader to raise their rating score by leaving five stars all the time?
Some of the things you say are just questionable considering you work for Keen, but you aren't an analyst. You don't know the backgrounds of the majority of callers anymore than we do.
You're guessing based only on your worldview of clients that call you.
Yes there are definitely people with psychic addictions that call the same reader or many readers over and over again. That does not make up the majority of the clients though - there is no way so many readers could survive on the income from just those people. They are a small percentage and that is really obvious if you actually look through the feedback of readers, and also keep in mind that we receive feedback now from only about 10% of our calls. After working many years on Keen, taking tens of thousands of calls, and of course listening to other readers on the reader-only message boards there, I do indeed think I'm more informed about the nature of our clientele than you are.
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You're just another reader PP who is bitter and hateful when the truth comes out - that although you charge $4 per min - upwards of $19.99 per min. You're truly just a buck 99 reader.
You only created the Myth Busting thread to cause tension. You aren't really helping anyone, by posting the truth as you see it, but post using nastiness by being a bitch. Perhaps scale back on that a bit and you might be a better reader.
I can tell by some of your posts you're angry at what is being said about you as a reader, because your ego is bigger than your paycheck and you can't seem to understand where the discrepancy lies.
Sure, all readers don't work for everyone, but as a reader when you're called out on being wrong, it can't all be every clients fault. How is it that after so many calls, tens of thousands you say and you still get so much information wrong? One fact I can say about some readers is that at least they are consistently inconsistent! I can surely count on that happening.
Are you not working to be a better reader, taking classes, looking into what you thought you saw towards what you actually interpreted?
And I seriously doubt you are as informed as you say. Only desperate readers who want to shift blame join a forum about readers, where clients write truthful reviews.
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Still, there is more depth provided here from those that post about their experiences with readers compared to Keen feedback system. We learn about peoples experiences over time, we learn certain quirks of readers and can see a common theme--over time. We have to use our own discernment about who to call or not, but boards like this, from posters that share a common insterest, can better help a paying client choose wisely--whether they are an addict or not.
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You're just another reader PP who is bitter and hateful when the truth comes out - that although you charge $4 per min - upwards of $19.99 per min. You're truly just a buck 99 reader.
You only created the Myth Busting thread to cause tension. You aren't really helping anyone, by posting the truth as you see it, but post using nastiness by being a bitch. Perhaps scale back on that a bit and you might be a better reader.
I can tell by some of your posts you're angry at what is being said about you as a reader, because your ego is bigger than your paycheck and you can't seem to understand where the discrepancy lies.
Sure, all readers don't work for everyone, but as a reader when you're called out on being wrong, it can't all be every clients fault. How is it that after so many calls, tens of thousands you say and you still get so much information wrong? One fact I can say about some readers is that at least they are consistently inconsistent! I can surely count on that happening.
Are you not working to be a better reader, taking classes, looking into what you thought you saw towards what you actually interpreted?
And I seriously doubt you are as informed as you say. Only desperate readers who want to shift blame join a forum about readers, where clients write truthful reviews.
Wow do you hear yourself? And I'm the bitter and hateful bitch? You need real help, my friend.
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I am getting help. I call Keen psychics and am following their advice, per your instructions.
Plus we aren't friends, remember that.....that is what YOU said.
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Still, there is more depth provided here from those that post about their experiences with readers compared to Keen feedback system. We learn about peoples experiences over time, we learn certain quirks of readers and can see a common theme--over time. We have to use our own discernment about who to call or not, but boards like this, from posters that share a common insterest, can better help a paying client choose wisely--whether they are an addict or not.
The things I was addressing in my post were not related to people providing honest feedback about readers. The specific things I addressed were 1) The "all readers only care about your money" theme that seems to be all over the place here, 2) The BS that we share client information - I don't even know where or why we would do that, and 3) The assertion I see here that we are purposely lying to you.
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You're just another reader PP who is bitter and hateful when the truth comes out - that although you charge $4 per min - upwards of $19.99 per min. You're truly just a buck 99 reader.
You only created the Myth Busting thread to cause tension. You aren't really helping anyone, by posting the truth as you see it, but post using nastiness by being a bitch. Perhaps scale back on that a bit and you might be a better reader.
I can tell by some of your posts you're angry at what is being said about you as a reader, because your ego is bigger than your paycheck and you can't seem to understand where the discrepancy lies.
Sure, all readers don't work for everyone, but as a reader when you're called out on being wrong, it can't all be every clients fault. How is it that after so many calls, tens of thousands you say and you still get so much information wrong? One fact I can say about some readers is that at least they are consistently inconsistent! I can surely count on that happening.
Are you not working to be a better reader, taking classes, looking into what you thought you saw towards what you actually interpreted?
And I seriously doubt you are as informed as you say. Only desperate readers who want to shift blame join a forum about readers, where clients write truthful reviews.
Well, I wasn't going to go there, but I do question this. Do any of you real readers ever question why there is such a disconnect with accuracy? Do you actively pursue ways to get better...and be less wrong? I get the feeling that a lot of you just end up being offended when we post critical reviews and then shrug your shoulders and move on to the next client. Some of you come on here and pretend to be clients, then chastize us when we criticize your service. I'm asking earnestly here, because I do believe that there are good ones out there that can be more consistant than they are.
At this point, I believe in psychic ability. But I'm 50/50 about even good readers being capable of providing a useful, consistent service.
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Still, there is more depth provided here from those that post about their experiences with readers compared to Keen feedback system. We learn about peoples experiences over time, we learn certain quirks of readers and can see a common theme--over time. We have to use our own discernment about who to call or not, but boards like this, from posters that share a common insterest, can better help a paying client choose wisely--whether they are an addict or not.
The things I was addressing in my post were not related to people providing honest feedback about readers. The specific things I addressed were 1) The "all readers only care about your money" theme that seems to be all over the place here, 2) The BS that we share client information - I don't even know where or why we would do that, and 3) The assertion I see here that we are purposely lying to you.
Well, I countered some of those points. You may not do it, but don't speak for all of your Keen colleagues because they have been caught in the act. The BS of sharing client info is not BS at all. I knew about it years ago, it was very popular on Kasamba and Keen at one point. Do all readers do it? No, but it happened--and it gave you insight into the quality of readers on these platforms. And lets face it, I doubt most of you psychics would read all day for clients at a 0 rate. You do it for money, which is fine. Its when that need for money trumps providing a quality service is where we get upset.
ETA: To clarify, info sharing was designed to generate more revenue by 1) Giving "new" clients that WOW feeling by rattling off something accurate about their situation. Many clients don't stop at one reader, why not consolidate that information and make their jobs easier and more lucrative? It works well, especially if you are not really psychic. That is where this "all readers care about is money" idea comes from. From behavior like this. I had someone on Bitwine do this to me. She used information from my Paypal receipt, which was my business name to provide "psychic information" that was supposed to wow me. It was a new LLC and she rattled off the date of when it started...and said that the name starts with an S. I knew right away she was using my personal information to try to wow me. I called her out and left a bad review...which was later removed LOL. She was so shocked I knew what she was doing that she argued with me all night over it---tried to make me the bad guy.
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Most of our clients do not have a psychic addiction.
I have zero doubts that you gravely underestimated the number of psychic addicts that got a reading from you.
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Most of our clients do not have a psychic addiction.
I have zero doubts that you gravely underestimated the number of psychic addicts that got a reading from you.
She has an idea of an addict being a certain type of person, and its not accurate.
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Most of our clients do not have a psychic addiction.
I have zero doubts that you gravely underestimated the number of psychic addicts that got a reading from you.
At this point, I believe in psychic ability. But I'm 50/50 about even good readers being capable of providing a useful, consistent service.
EXACTLY!
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Well, I wasn't going to go there, but I do question this. Do any of you real readers ever question why there is such a disconnect with accuracy? Do you actively pursue ways to get better...and be less wrong? I get the feeling that a lot of you just end up being offended when we post critical reviews and then shrug your shoulders and move on to the next client. Some of you come on here and pretend to be clients, then chastize us when we criticize your service. I'm asking earnestly here, because I do believe that there are good ones out there that can be more consistant than they are.
At this point, I believe in psychic ability. But I'm 50/50 about even good readers being capable of providing a useful, consistent service.
Yes some of us definitely work to improve our skills and accuracy. It's something you can see in some readers over time, like many of us will start using different or more tools after some years on Keen, or we will drop tools we used to use based on negative feedback. Some of us have found that our accuracy with timing wasn't very good so we will no longer offer timing predictions, and some of us have found that we can be more accurate if we use Oracle cards to confirm our intuition, etc. We also share advice on those types of things in the forums. I used to work on Kasamba/LivePerson too and particularly there we had a lot of discussion on skill improvement. Less so in the Keen forums, but there is some of that.
I think when it comes to critical feedback, our reactions are going to depend on how the feedback is presented and of course our personalities. Some people just can't take criticism, and even those of us who invite it want it to be constructive. The problem is we don't get a lot of helpful/constructive criticism on Keen, so it might take us a while to identify where a problem might be in our process. Also, if I have 15 repeat clients in a week tell me that my predictions were correct, and 2 people say I was wrong, does that mean there is a problem so large I need to rethink my whole process, or is that just inevitable because I'm not perfect and there are a million ways that situation could have gone in a different direction from the one I was seeing at the moment?
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Great, I'll be happy to answer that for you.
I hardly ever tell a reader they were wrong. I don't see the point in it, believe it or not. Either I leave good feedback or none at all.
I return to readers who were wrong because in every conversation I've had with a reader, there is always some amount of incorrect information given within the conversion. That should be a given for all readers because I've never come across anyone who was 100% correct. I take it with a grain of salt and focus on what was right, so perhaps if you change your focus, I would think all your clients were given incorrect information, even during the calls where the information was right. They just chose not to tell you about it, like I do.
I've had many predictions to manifest and many that didn't, all from the same reader(s). All readers are equally 50/50 for me. If I ask two questions, then one is going to be right and one is going to be wrong. So then, I have to get another reading on the same two questions in order to increase the odds of getting the other question right.
Callers are so thrilled and over the moon when a prediction manifests that we return to tell the reader, whereas we rejoice instead of lamenting about all the other things they got wrong.
We are still hopeful that in another call, we can get more correct predictions as well.
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Still, there is more depth provided here from those that post about their experiences with readers compared to Keen feedback system. We learn about peoples experiences over time, we learn certain quirks of readers and can see a common theme--over time. We have to use our own discernment about who to call or not, but boards like this, from posters that share a common insterest, can better help a paying client choose wisely--whether they are an addict or not.
The things I was addressing in my post were not related to people providing honest feedback about readers. The specific things I addressed were 1) The "all readers only care about your money" theme that seems to be all over the place here, 2) The BS that we share client information - I don't even know where or why we would do that, and 3) The assertion I see here that we are purposely lying to you.
Well, I countered some of those points. You may not do it, but don't speak for all of your Keen colleagues because they have been caught in the act. The BS of sharing client info is not BS at all. I knew about it years ago, it was very popular on Kasamba and Keen at one point. Do all readers do it? No, but it happened--and it gave you insight into the quality of readers on these platforms. And lets face it, I doubt most of you psychics would read all day for clients at a 0 rate. You do it for money, which is fine. Its when that need for money trumps providing a quality service is where we get upset.
ETA: To clarify, info sharing was designed to generate more revenue by 1) Giving "new" clients that WOW feeling by rattling off something accurate about their situation. Many clients don't stop at one reader, why not consolidate that information and make their jobs easier and more lucrative? It works well, especially if you are not really psychic. That is where this "all readers care about is money" idea comes from. From behavior like this. I had someone on Bitwine do this to me. She used information from my Paypal receipt, which was my business name to provide "psychic information" that was supposed to wow me. It was a new LLC and she rattled off the date of when it started...and said that the name starts with an S. I knew right away she was using my personal information to try to wow me. I called her out and left a bad review...which was later removed LOL. She was so shocked I knew what she was doing that she argued with me all night over it---tried to make me the bad guy.
100% agree. it's a joke someone comes on here and speaks on behalf of all the keen psychics, who are completely independent from him/her. speak for yourself, not for 1000 other people. please.
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Well damn......this was a constructive good conversation until someone started saying "bitch" and "bitter" and pretty much made the whole thing turn harsh. So PPrincess is a reader and is now being attached. She might be wrong about how she has labeled us on this forum, but come on, grow up and stop the name calling. I don't like what she has to say but allow her to say it and perhaps we can have a constructive, back and forth, conversation.
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Oh come off it Jas. Really?? Nothing has turned harsh, it was that way from the beginning.
No one is telling her to stop talking, but she should get her facts straight.
Think, why don't you for one sec...why would a reader feel the need to join a review forum?
To help us recognize that WE are the issue?
Do you honestly believe that what she is saying is constructive...seriously??
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I mean this was a really interesting thread and i appreciate pprincess's post, it's eyeopening. Maybe in all fairness she doesn't know how addicted some people are who get reads, esp if she only is on part time as she says. If you're on there full time it's probably a whole other ballgame. I think it takes some guts to get on here in this lions den where people can be really bitter from being hurt sometimes, and take the time to post so much but not be trying to promote yourself.
It's just totally unfair for to take out all the anger on her .
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yes, Beesa, exactly.
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In all honesty one reader can't be the voice for all. I have no proof that I have been flat out lied to, but I have had many so called psychics turn out to be 100% wrong. There is never an explanation for it and they don't want to take any responsibility for it. There are a list of issues with these reader's from customer service to fraud. A friend of mine had a reader on Etsy mistakenly copy and past her social media information in an email reading. She was busted and still tried to lie. The same goes for reading experiences, just because a reader is wrong for one person doesn't mean they don't have a gift, but it is proof they are not right for everyone and can be very wrong. They need to take responsibility for that instead of acting like the customer did something wrong to change the prediction.
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I've had readers lie to my face too and i think there are always bad apples but the bad apples aren't gonna come crawling on there knees here and take responsibility , that requires a conscience
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Well, I do thank pprincess for at least sitting back, watching the board and trying to bring about a discussion. She didnt pretend to be a client and promote herself. Thanks for that.
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Well, I do thank pprincess for at least sitting back, watching the board and trying to bring about a discussion. She didnt pretend to be a client and promote herself. Thanks for that.
i don't think we should thank someone for being honest. honesty should be a baseline. she definitely IS pushing SOMETHING.
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Well, I do thank pprincess for at least sitting back, watching the board and trying to bring about a discussion. She didnt pretend to be a client and promote herself. Thanks for that.
i don't think we should thank someone for being honest. honesty should be a baseline. she definitely IS pushing SOMETHING.
Well, I'm going to give the benefit of the doubt. Maybe she really believes all she has posted on the original post, but I came to counter that. I don't want her to feel like my different perspective
is me trying to be aggressive towards her.
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a myth: "a widely held but false belief or idea."
the whole premise of her post doesn't hold. sorry, not buying it.
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I just wanted to bust some myths I’ve been reading on here.
1) All Keen Advisors are Just There for Money
No, not all advisors are there for the money. Some of us truly enjoy using our gifts to help others and actually get very tense and restless if some of that energy isn’t directed outwards. Keen gives us an easily-accessible outlet that is convenient for those of us that have demanding day jobs so can’t schedule a lot of in-person readings at reasonable hours.
Also, even when we aren’t in it for the income, many of us are forced to charge more than the minimum because charging the minimum means you have to deal with all of the most abusive callers. You get an exponentially greater quality of client at $5 per minute versus $2 per minute. When your rate is the minimum, you get nonstop calls from underage kids and psychic-hoppers trying to rush an answer out of you in 1 minute or less and will then rate you based on how your yes/no answer compared to what everyone else told them. Nobody wants to take those calls. If you want to work with clients who are actually looking for insight, you either have to charge more than the minimum, or just hang up instantly on the majority of the calls you get.
And even the readers that are indeed working on Keen full-time for income: So, what’s wrong with that? If you have a skill or gift, should you not use it as your day job if you can and if you enjoy it? Do you think it’s such a fun job that people want to do it all day every day for free?
2) Keen Advisors Share Information on Clients
This one I really don’t understand. In what way would it benefit me to share client information with another advisor? Wouldn’t that just lose me clients because that advisor would appear to know more than I did when the client called them? And that’s if the client happened to even call that advisor – there are hundreds of advisors active on Keen at any moment and thousands of clients. So here we have to assume that I give your info to a friend, you happen to call that friend at some point, and that friend then is able to access the info I gave them on you, read it, answer your call and have all this info ready within 60 seconds? No.
There are basher lists available online that list out the Keen usernames of people who consistently leave one-star ratings, but those lists – as you can google for yourself – don’t contain personal information about the clients that can be used to fake being psychic. And if you’re on that list and a reader finds you there, they most likely won’t take your call at all.
In terms of the reader-only forums on Keen: You have to have a few hundred ratings in order to view them so don’t believe the clients on here who say they have a reader account so that they can view the forums. They can’t see the real ones unless they have been actively working as a reader on Keen for a while, but rest assured that Keen heavily monitors the forums and does not allow us to share any client information there at all. If we even complain about a rating they will delete the post, which is why the online basher lists exist at all.
3) Readers Purposely Lie to You
As an occasional client on Keen I’ve received my share of bogus predictions, but I don’t believe that the readers purposely misled me. I think some readers are totally bogus, and if you watch you will see that many get weeded out by the feedback system rather quickly. But it doesn’t even make sense that we would be giving out lies that we know will never happen because – duh – we will get terrible feedback, no repeat clients, and will no longer be able to use the site. I think we all do our best, and often times our callers just do not listen to our advice. I can’t even begin to remember all the times I’ve told a client that in order to reach a favorable outcome they had to take a certain action or behave a certain way, then they came back and told me they did the opposite. The future is changeable and subject to your free will. If you are not going to follow the advice of your advisor then how do you expect to get the outcome they predicted?
One more thing I want to point out is that the population that posts here is not representative of the majority of the clientele on Keen. It seems to be a pretty small sample of psychic-hoppers. The clients who come to us once a month for guidance or only when they are at a crossroads in their relationship or career (those who use readings in a healthy way and have an excellent relationship with their trusted advisor) are not the ones who are posting here, yet those are the ones you would actually want to listen to if you wanted to know which advisors to call.
If you have questions about the reader perspective on Keen I’ll try to answer them, but do not ask what my Keen username is because I’m not here to gain or lose clients. I was just reading some really bitter stuff on here and a lot of people blaming psychics for their relationship problems so I thought I’d put in a couple of my own cents.
BTW: If you are so anxious about your relationship that you call 15 psychics to find out what’s going to happen in that relationship: the answer is NOTHING because you’ve already destroyed it with your intensity and anxiety and insecurity. The object of your obsession can sense it and finds it unattractive and repellent. Nobody wants to be around that kind of energy (including the psychics). Stop calling us and work on being more easy-going.
Thanks for sharing!
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Thank you for sharing, and being willing to step into the buzzsaw. People here mean well, but are here mostly because they're in the middle of a time of high stress/high emotions, and when your emotional cup is that full, it can overflow easily. (I include myself in this description by the way so I hope that doesn't offend anyone.)
So again, thanks for sharing.
I'd like to ask: Do you have any tips for getting the best reading? As in... call someone earlier in their shift, or call less often, I think these are pretty self-evident. But anything else? How about the right questions to ask, or the right way to frame a question?
Take care.
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Thank you for sharing, and being willing to step into the buzzsaw. People here mean well, but are here mostly because they're in the middle of a time of high stress/high emotions, and when your emotional cup is that full, it can overflow easily. (I include myself in this description by the way so I hope that doesn't offend anyone.)
So again, thanks for sharing.
I'd like to ask: Do you have any tips for getting the best reading? As in... call someone earlier in their shift, or call less often, I think these are pretty self-evident. But anything else? How about the right questions to ask, or the right way to frame a question?
Take care.
Great way to put it, so many post when their emotions are high..
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if anyone is referring to me, i'm not posting when my "emotions are high". i stand by my statements.
someone speaking on behalf of an entire community of psychics is irresponsible.
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But how is she speaking on the entire behalf of everyone else? She's only part time and stated that, so I didn't read her post like the voice of Keen or anything.
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"myth busting". how about "my opinion?"
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I no longer use Keen but I still occasionally go back and read thru feedback, and it really seems there are some people calling for years about the same POI or topic that never seems to go anywhere (Flowers and her job search) etc....Faery Lady has a woman named wintersonata who calls it seems every day about a married man she's been seeing for years and waiting to leave his wife. It hurts my heart when I see things like that.....
I would really like to believe that most callers are not like that but unfortunately I don't think that's the case....
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I'd like to ask: Do you have any tips for getting the best reading? As in... call someone earlier in their shift, or call less often, I think these are pretty self-evident. But anything else? How about the right questions to ask, or the right way to frame a question?
Take care.
I’m glad you asked that! Yes I have some tips; that is one of the things that has been discussed in the advisor forums ad nauseam. Advisors HATE it when you ask “When is he going to call” or “When is he coming back.” For one thing, it’s not a question that’s going to get you any insight on the situation or relationship. It’s not going to tell you why he left or what your role in it was or what you can do to improve the relationship and avoid coming to the same place again and repeating destructive cycles. It’s a question that asks us to cut out the flood of information we’re receiving about the relationship and just give you a date. Secondly, for the most part we advisors know that pinning down timing is an art that few have mastered. I myself have never had an advisor give me an accurate date, and I don’t personally believe that psychic ability even works that way or that predicting events happening on a specific date can really be done. A timeframe within a few months, sure, but within a few days? Good luck with that. Most of us don’t see events as they unfold on a calendar, plus your actions and the energy you put out affect your relationships and surroundings. So when you just ask “When is he going to contact me,” you are not only NOT asking a question that’s going to help you or your relationship in any way, but you are asking the advisor to do the hardest work they can while they know it won’t help you. I’m telling you they complain about this in the forums all the damn time. Hate it! If you look through the listings, many of us don’t even offer to give timing anymore.
I think if an advisor says in their listing that they are great at predicting dates, then they are inviting those types of questions so you are free to ask them, but I personally wouldn’t even trust those advisors. You can see from looking at the boards here that dates are often wrong, and clients seems to use that to judge an advisor’s ability. I saw plenty of posts here saying things like “She was great with the present and past but future dates were wrong.” Why do you think that is, that soooo many of us are able to see exactly what’s happening and what’s happened in your relationship but future turns out differently from the path we’re seeing? Obviously the reader has psychic ability – you’re a complete stranger possibly on the other side of the world from us and yet we know all about your significant other? I think it’s because that’s the way our abilities work. The present and past and all the problems and emotions surrounding them are easy for us to see, but we don’t see calendars and the future is changeable.
That being the case, I think if you want to get anything of significance out of a reading, you need to be asking the kinds of questions that actually use the psychic’s abilities to the best advantage and that actually will give you practical help in your life. You can often tell what kinds of questions that advisor specializes in by reading their listing, but if the advisor doesn’t list out questions there, things like the following will get you the best insight: “Is there anything I can do to bring X back to me?” or “What can I do to improve my relationship with X?” I often find that just asking “How does X feel about me?” gives all the answers you need. It usually tells you why they left, what they are feeling now, and what the best possible outcome would be with that relationship. Again, just asking “When” isn’t going to give you much. The “Why” and “How” are where the information lies.
I also want to point out that even though I think the dates advisors give are mostly inaccurate, I don’t think they know that. When you are right on with the past and present, you tend to think what you’re getting for the future must be accurate as well. I think they are taking that on good faith, but I also believe that just the act of telling someone what is coming in the future can change it. A lot of us feel that way, so we are careful to try to look at WHAT YOU CAN DO to lead to the future you want. If someone is telling you to sit tight and your dream is going to fall into your lap from the sky, they aren’t doing it right.
Another kind of question that has been complained about recently with the new year is “What do you see coming for 2018.” You know there is a specific area of your life you want to focus on, so just ask about that. Half the advisors on the board said they wouldn’t answer that and would ask the client to be more specific, and the other half said they would just go ahead and start the read but the client would always interrupt after a card or two with the more specific question. So just start with your specific question and save yourself some time/money.
Other than asking specific questions that factor your own actions and responsibility into the situation, I’d say giving your advisor information about the situation as they go along is extremely helpful to getting a good read. I know you hate to do it because then you think you are just “feeding” us info and we aren’t using our abilities to help you, but we are not omniscient and being able to put the info we receive into the perspective of your life isn’t easy so why shouldn’t you help us out? It is always shocking to me when I find how much more the info I’m getting makes sense because a client reveals something about the situation.
One example: I had a relationship read just yesterday where I kept seeing this other woman kind of on the periphery of the relationship, trying to dig her way in, and I could tell that it wasn’t someone the man was cheating with – no romantic or sexual tie – but it didn’t make any sense to me. I just didn’t say anything about it since I didn’t understand it at all and didn’t want to worry the client with half-ass fears I didn’t have more info on, but then the client later told me that her boyfriend’s sister didn’t like her and asked if the sister was influencing him at all. It was a Eureka moment for me! Oh, it’s his sister, and yes she’s influencing him! This kind of thing happens all the time, and it makes me a better reader each time it happens.
We aren’t omniscient and the feelings and impressions we get about your life aren’t always clear. I discard most of what I get during a read because it isn’t clear enough. But if you help clarify some of that for us, we can better help you. This is also why we love our repeat clients and they love us. The first read – especially if you give us no info – is the hardest to figure out. We know zero about you and have to weed through the info we get to find something substantial that makes sense, but the more we get to know you and the more we know about your situation, the more it’s all so clear. I don’t even have to pull cards for the clients I’ve had for years. As soon as we connect, I can interpret every impression I get for them because I know what it means and how it fits. I think that’s also part of why psychic-hoppers seem to get so many bad reads. They are all first-time reads, they give no info because they are testing the psychic, and the psychic can only understand so much from this faceless person the first time they connect. I repeat, none of us are omniscient. You can help yourself get a better reading by working WITH your psychic.
I hope that answered your question well enough, but let me know if you have others.
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In my view, anyone saying "I think we all do our best" etc. in reference to Keen readers is either naive, or trying to whitewash things.
The reviews here simply don't bear that out, which is why this person has to attack the validity of the reviews on this forum to try to get it to hold water. But what's more, even the reviews on Keen itself don't bear it out, despite how flawed the feedback system is on there.
It would be much more realistic to say, SOME readers do their best, SOME do mean well, but to also acknowledge that there are some scammers and dishonest readers on Keen who are not easily weeded out by the feedback system or the fair play policies.
Furthermore it is pretty well known that some of the more dishonest readers can be very competitive, going after the more sincere and well meaning readers and try to hurt their business with negative feedback, or even drive them off of Keen.
Most readers who are genuine know that there are other readers on Keen who are not so genuine, and they will gently try to warn clients to be careful who they call. Just like those of us here who have experienced it ourselves try to warn people.
100% agree. I don't agree with the "let me help you underlings with sage advice." BS.
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Hi pprincess
I just wanted to say thanks for being willing to come on this board and share insight with us. I didn't read through all the back-and-forth arguing... but am grateful for the advice and your willingness to share your perspective.
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Yes I can usually tell when people are being obsessive and calling a bunch of us, and I can tell when they are seeking to be told what they want to hear and aren't really looking for guidance and real insight into their problems. I can tell when nothing I can say will actually get through to them. It is an anxious energy you get from the caller, it is obvious in the kinds of questions they ask, the way they respond to you, and in their reviews.
You mean to tell me you don’t rely solely on your psychic abilities? :o
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I don't agree with the "let me help you underlings with sage advice." BS.
Exactly...whether the advice is sound or not, when the underlying attitude comes off like "I know better than you" it sets off alarm bells.
i agree.
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You mean to tell me you don’t rely solely on your psychic abilities? :o
This post just reminded me of another tip that might help you get better readings: SET REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS.
If you go into a reading expecting the psychic to know everything about you right off and everything about your future, you are going to be disappointed every time. Maybe before you spend money on a psychic reading, you should learn a little bit more about how psychic abilities work and what they feel like to the psychic. I’m hoping I’m getting some of that part of our experience across in my posts, but I want to make that point loud and clear: WE ARE NOT OMNISCIENT.
Even setting the actual psychic ability aside, correctly interpreting the information we receive is a whole other set of skills we have to develop, and that is where our human fallibility comes into play the most. What we see might be totally right on, but how we interpret it? Trial and error is really the only way for us to improve on that.
So to set realistic expectation, I think learning about how psychic ability works will help, paying attention to the specific area of ability the psychic advertises on their listing so you know you’re calling the right person for the answers you need, and also going into the reading knowing what you want to get out of it. Think about your question and what kind of information you want to leave the reading with before you call, and ask yourself if you are really receptive to what they have to say for better or worse. If you aren’t open to hearing them out or facing the reality of your situation, if you aren’t seeking ways to improve your own situation, or if you just feel bad and want to know it’s all going to be okay, don’t call them. You can call actual certified therapists on LivePerson, or seek out self-help topics online, like “How to release an ex,” or “How to get out of a career rut.” Don’t call unless you have a specific area of your life you are trying to work on and need some insight on how to sort it out or which steps to take next, or if someone in your life is confusing you and you need some insight on their intentions or feelings. I think that's what we're here for.
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I don't agree with the "let me help you underlings with sage advice." BS.
Exactly...whether the advice is sound or not, when the underlying attitude comes off like "I know better than you" it sets off alarm bells.
adding that not acknowledging that there is a pervasive problem is complete denial... something i really don't buy.
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What's sad is seeing people thank her for it.
bwahhhhaaa! ;D ;D
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You mean to tell me you don’t rely solely on your psychic abilities? :o
This post just reminded me of another tip that might help you get better readings: SET REALISTIC EXPECTATIONS.
If you go into a reading expecting the psychic to know everything about you right off and everything about your future, you are going to be disappointed every time. Maybe before you spend money on a psychic reading, you should learn a little bit more about how psychic abilities work and what they feel like to the psychic. I’m hoping I’m getting some of that part of our experience across in my posts, but I want to make that point loud and clear: WE ARE NOT OMNISCIENT.
Even setting the actual psychic ability aside, correctly interpreting the information we receive is a whole other set of skills we have to develop, and that is where our human fallibility comes into play the most. What we see might be totally right on, but how we interpret it? Trial and error is really the only way for us to improve on that.
So to set realistic expectation, I think learning about how psychic ability works will help, paying attention to the specific area of ability the psychic advertises on their listing so you know you’re calling the right person for the answers you need, and also going into the reading knowing what you want to get out of it. Think about your question and what kind of information you want to leave the reading with before you call, and ask yourself if you are really receptive to what they have to say for better or worse. If you aren’t open to hearing them out or facing the reality of your situation, if you aren’t seeking ways to improve your own situation, or if you just feel bad and want to know it’s all going to be okay, don’t call them. You can call actual certified therapists on LivePerson, or seek out self-help topics online, like “How to release an ex,” or “How to get out of a career rut.” Don’t call unless you have a specific area of your life you are trying to work on and need some insight on how to sort it out or which steps to take next, or if someone in your life is confusing you and you need some insight on their intentions or feelings. I think that's what we're here for.
This is important. But a lot of times you won't know how they work until you use them. Of all ofthe genuinely gifted psychics I've tried, no two had the same style. Theres no one way of being an empath, and theres no one way of remote viewing or seeing clairvoyantly. And then there is the way that they impart the information they get. I do agree that seeing a therapist is cheaper if you just want to unload emotionally and are not looking for straightforward insight/predictions.
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So how can a psychic not see how a person going to act? So if we don't followed there advice it won't come true? What if they are just wrong period. CLEAR SPIRIT INTUITIVE may be the psychic that have been right for me she said that my poi is acting what she feel and she want nothing to do with me it was a long time ago and I didn't listen and keep on calling because 95 percent of the psychic said yes she has true and deep feeling for me.
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What's sad is seeing people thank her for it.
bwahhhhaaa! ;D ;D
Aw....well I'm not knocking you for laughing but I didn't mean it humorously. It reminds me of times when I would get a reading from someone with a similar kind of attitude, and I was too mixed up to realize that they were giving me bad advice or invalidating what I had to say...and I would end up thanking them for it. It was a really horrible place to be in...I don't want to assume that I'm fully past it, but I know I never, ever want to be there again. And I truly feel bad for people who buy into these ideas, like there is a right/wrong way to get readings and if we don't follow the readers advice then we are the ones who screwed up. I have to say, in some cases it was following a readers advice that made a situation worse, or in other cases, if I had followed their advice, I would be in serious dire straits right now.
Finding this forum was the best thing for me, there are other things that helped me too but ultimately reading the feedback here is what helped the most.
@still tired, I typed a long response to this, then deleted it... and am going to try to say what I said earlier more succinctly and -- hopefully -- graciously.
Essentially, I was trying to say that your post implies that those of us who have thanked pprincess for her posts must be: "too mixed up to realize that [she is] giving ... bad advice". And although I believe you are coming from a place of caring (for other forum users) when you say that, it's mildly insulting and patronizing and certainly not true for me. I am not too mixed up, and I am perfectly capable of reading through her posts and discerning what is useful information (for me). As it turns out, I don't agree with everything she's said, but there are certainly some insights that I find valuable as someone who gets readings.
If you don't, that's fine, but please don't make assumptions about others on here... based on your own past experience. We're all different and entitled to our own opinions and perspectives. I, for one, find it interesting to hear from a keen reader about their experience and related advice. And I am aware enough to be able to take what they say with a grain of salt and understand it doesn't apply to all readers. So, thanks for your concern but there's no need to feel sad or sorry for me...
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Well said Double - I agree completely.
It would seem there are a few senior members in this forum who will gun you down if you don't agree with there viewpoint - It's not an open discussion. Although I will say that Bstallings is the exception, she does try to state her point of view without tearing someone to pieces.
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What's sad is seeing people thank her for it.
bwahhhhaaa! ;D ;D
100% agree with both of these statements.
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Excellent points still tired
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Personally the way I see it, if people do read all of what she wrote, and thank her for the advice without necessarily agreeing with everything she said and without calling out the ad hominem attacks she made against the entire forum, it is a bit disingenuous. What I think that would probably mean is that such people automatically exclude themselves from her characterizations, figuring it may apply to others here but not necessarily to themselves, which would be very arrogant.
Or, the other thing that crossed my mind is people thanking her or agreeing with her could be readers themselves, but I don't like to even go there.
Except you just did go there. Really?
I wasn't going to respond to any of this because I don't think it's very useful, but I will to defend myself.
I'm no reader, and use these services as a consumer the same as everyone else. If anyone has any serious concerns that way, I'm more than happy to provide an administrator here with proof of my real identity and we can put this all to rest right now.
I chose to take from her post what was useful to me, and to the extent that there were useful things (which there were, to me), I thanked her for sharing. If you don't agree and think that makes me disingenuous, that's unfortunate but you're free to think what you like. As to why I might respond to one thing and not another, we all choose what is worth our time and energy to think about or remark on and to me, a productive discussion is worth it, the rest is not. Others may want to use their time and energy to flog her, or me, or make any other remarks you wish and that's OK too. I simply do not make that choice. But I find it unkind to cast aspersions on me for saying thank you to another human being.
I'm not going to respond further to this line, but felt the need to defend myself. I stand by all of my remarks and wish nothing but good things for everyone reading.
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So how can a psychic not see how a person going to act? So if we don't followed there advice it won't come true? What if they are just wrong period. CLEAR SPIRIT INTUITIVE may be the psychic that have been right for me she said that my poi is acting what she feel and she want nothing to do with me it was a long time ago and I didn't listen and keep on calling because 95 percent of the psychic said yes she has true and deep feeling for me.
This has essentially been the problem with the vast majority of readings I have gotten. They may be right on some things, but they are mostly wrong on what the person will actually DO. And they have been wrong on that when I was not calling under any great emotional pressure, when I followed the reader's advice, or when I followed all the general suggestions that are usually given for getting good readings. They simply do not read the person accurately, and the customer does not have any control or influence over this.
I can see where we do have some influence over how things go when we get a service. For instance when I have a doctor's appointment, the way I communicate and carry myself may make a difference to how they interpret what is going on with me. However, my approach has no influence whatsoever over the doctor's own level of competence and ability, and in fact if that did happen to be the case then I would definitely be finding another doctor.
What some readers try to tell us is that our attitude or approach to getting a reading may have some influence over their own level of competence and ability. I can see where that may be true for some readers, but it is certainly not true for all of them. So I question whether that is really how psychic ability "works" or if it means instead there is a lower level of competence or ability, or simply an inconsistency in using the ability.
I think for any talent or ability, people can have off days or may understandably perform more poorly under difficult or trying circumstances. But there still must be a baseline of competency that the person defaults to even when they are not performing at their best. If the person in unable to perform at a satisfactory level, they will not be successful at their job.
I also question how useful it is to follow advice given along the lines of getting a better reading, considering all of the above.
Essentially, I was trying to say that your post implies that those of us who have thanked pprincess for her posts must be: "too mixed up to realize that [she is] giving ... bad advice". And although I believe you are coming from a place of caring (for other forum users) when you say that, it's mildly insulting and patronizing and certainly not true for me.
Interesting that you feel that way regarding a comment where I was talking about myself, but pprincess's direct characterizations of people who use this forum went right past you. Maybe you didn't read through the whole thread, but she painted everyone here with a pretty broad brush.
Personally the way I see it, if people do read all of what she wrote, and thank her for the advice without necessarily agreeing with everything she said and without calling out the ad hominem attacks she made against the entire forum, it is a bit disingenuous. What I think that would probably mean is that such people automatically exclude themselves from her characterizations, figuring it may apply to others here but not necessarily to themselves, which would be very arrogant.
Or, the other thing that crossed my mind is people thanking her or agreeing with her could be readers themselves, but I don't like to even go there.
So all in all I'd rather give you or anyone else the benefit of the doubt that you didn't fully catch on to what she said, which was a broad brushed, wholesale dismissal of all the feedback offered by Keen customers on this forum. It is understandable that people may have missed that because what she said and the way she said it was very manipulative. In my experience, this kind of manipulation is typical of a certain subset of Keen readers, and her comments and the subsequent responses reminded me of those experiences.
I am not too mixed up, and I am perfectly capable of reading through her posts and discerning what is useful information (for me).
I'm sure you are fully capable of discerning for yourself, and so is everyone else here, there is no question of that. Whether people use those capabilities is something else. As you wrote earlier, you did not read all the "back-and-forth arguing" (and I suggest if you read it you might find it is not all arguing) and maybe you overlooked her ad hominem attacks. So perhaps there is more to be discerned here.
As it turns out, I don't agree with everything she's said, but there are certainly some insights that I find valuable as someone who gets readings.
I think she made some very interesting points and I can see where it might be useful. However I don't feel the need to thank someone when their insights are presented in such an antagonistic and disruptive. It makes me sad for me to see that, because it reminds me of my own past experiences. That is my honest feeling and I can't help it if my feelings offend you. I have the right to my feelings, as much as you do to yours. But I don't feel sad or sorry for you in particular as a person, if that helps.
I could say a lot more about PP's posts, aside for the remarks that I am being harsh or some such bs that Doubleoh8 had posted earlier. I saw her original post before she took it down.
It's interesting how PP's fans don't see how erroneous her posts are, because sooooooooooooooo many believe she is actually being helpful and that her posts are useful. They don't even realize what they are thanking her for.
Still tired you made such excellent posts, that I wanted to post them again, but it seems that some of the members here just won't get it.
And as we all know, 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink'
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I could say a lot more about PP's posts, aside for the remarks that I am being harsh or some such bs that Doubleoh8 had posted earlier. I saw her original post before she took it down.
It's interesting how PP's fans don't see how erroneous her posts are, because sooooooooooooooo many believe she is actually being helpful and that her posts are useful. They don't even realize what they are thanking her for.
Still tired you made such excellent posts, that I wanted to post them again, but it seems that some of the members here just won't get it.
And as we all know, 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink'
Oh brother. I'm not going to keep engaging with this thread ... but like journalmuse feel compelled simply to defend myself.
1. My earlier post was simply a very long-winded version of the one I left on here. I don't remember exactly what I said, but I edited it to make it briefer, remove redundancies and stick to the topic. In it, I didn't address you at all, @hornetkick.
2. I am not a reader. In general I find the tendency to suggest that anyone who sympathizes with anything a reader says must be one to be tedious.
3. @still tired, I think your reading into my thank you to pprincess as evidence that I am disingenuous or setting myself aside from other posters here is unfair and it's also untrue. I have had my own struggles with readings and I can empathize / appreciate the perspectives of many people here -- probably most.
I'm going to leave it that because I don't choose to put my energy into arguing with forum members about things we don't see eye to eye on. I'd really prefer not to receive personal attacks for my POV, as I'm not giving them. If and when I have time, I will go back through the thread and read it with @still tired's comments in mind... mostly because based on previous posts I think she is a kind and thoughtful person... and I'd like to think my mind is open to alternate points of view.
That said, I stand by my prerogative to thank pprincess for providing some information I found useful and I am happy to agree to disagree (or to not "get it", as @hornetkick suggests) with those who think otherwise.
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Still tired you made such excellent posts, that I wanted to post them again, but it seems that some of the members here just won't get it.
And as we all know, 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink'
Amen.
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Well, I do thank pprincess for at least sitting back, watching the board and trying to bring about a discussion. She didnt pretend to be a client and promote herself. Thanks for that.
i don't think we should thank someone for being honest. honesty should be a baseline. she definitely IS pushing SOMETHING.
The view from the other side isn't pushing something.