Metaphysical, Spiritual and Psychic Discussions > Psychic Development
Manifesting
ES1281:
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--- Quote from: ladya on January 03, 2020, 11:19:12 PM ---you guys seem to know what youre talking about so ill let you talk amongst yourselves. im done with this stupidity. I have better things to focus my energy on. toodles.
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You sound very white.
I just think LoA is a bunch of bunk. Some of us were born on this earth where we have been viciously hated and attacked for the color of our skin or our religious beliefs. I think it's ridiculous to say that these things were manifested because of some negative thought patterns.
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ummm -- seriously? did you just say you sound very white? that's a very racist statement FYI! there was nothing racist at all about her comment - lets keep the discussion non-racial, you brought race and religion, not her! not acceptable! last i checked she's allowed to be any color on this forum....
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Lol right, sure.
You can't talk about LoA and how it's amazing and it works for everyone and those it doesn't work for just has negative beliefs without acknowledging the very real world that exists.
LoA reeks of privilege and 95% of the people out here preaching it and coaching it and writing the books are privileged beyond belief just due to the circumstances of their births.
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Oprah Winfrey is Black.
Arigirl:
--- Quote from: Still tired on January 04, 2020, 09:37:22 AM ---In ycyor philosophy the basic idea is that creating your own reality is what everyone naturally does whether they are aware of it or not. It's not necessarily something you do on purpose to attract or manifest specific things, it's just how life works. The idea is that each person has deep reasons for creating what they choose to experience (value fulfillment) and creating only positive or desirable outcomes typically doesn't satisfy that. Manifesting sometimes falls flat for people because they are actually working against their own value fulfillment. For instance, you might want to manifest help or collaboration on a project, but if you have a deep need to know that you are achieving it through your own efforts, you will probably either block that manifestation, sabotage it, or simply lose interest in it after you get what you want.
In ycyor circles I heard it said many times that a person who is having a difficult experience could choose to change it, that they could even manifest instant healing or transformation, but doing so would probably defeat the purpose of why they created it in the first place. If the person went to the trouble to create that, they have some reason for doing so, which they may not know how to fulfill any other way. And eventually, when that purpose is fulfilled, they gain understanding from it and naturally move on to a different experience.
The way to deliberately alter that experience would be to understand the deeper reasons why you choose to have it, by examining your beliefs. But this process starts with the basic premise that you DO choose your experience...even if you don't totally understand the mechanism of how/why you are choosing it. It's an acceptance that you do choose it somehow, and because you are choosing it, you can choose differently. It's not always easy to accept the idea that you create your experience, and sometimes it could be downright horrifying, yet to accept it opens up the possibility that you can create something different.
Manifestation practices tend to focus on the outcome of creating something different, rather than looking at the underlying beliefs and values that you are already using to form your experience. It works well when you want to manifest things or situations that are already in line with those deeper beliefs, but it's trickier when your beliefs are in conflict. Beliefs in this context are not so much what we say or think we believe, but our most fundamental assumptions about the nature of life, ideas that often rest unquestioned because they are presumed to be a truth.
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This is the part of loa that I'm conflicted on and don't necessarily believe. I do believe that we have the power to react to the cards we've been dealt in some instances and this can affect how we move forward through life-- but some things are out of our control individually. Going back to some previous comments in this thread, I know some people who were born with severe disabilities, I know people who were born in bad circumstances beyond their control, I know people who face hardship nearly everday of their lives because of systematic issues that are out of their hands (opression, discrimination, etc.)--I really struggle to believe they created this reality for themselves. If a child was born with a severe birth defect that causes them to pass away hours after birth, did they manifest their own passing? Did it's mother, or father or siblings? In what ways do other people's thoughts, intentions, manifestations, etc. affect our own thoughts, intentions, and manifestations? These are honestly rhetorical questions that I intend to research more when I have the time
ES1281:
--- Quote from: Arigirl on January 04, 2020, 12:52:28 PM ---
--- Quote from: Still tired on January 04, 2020, 09:37:22 AM ---In ycyor philosophy the basic idea is that creating your own reality is what everyone naturally does whether they are aware of it or not. It's not necessarily something you do on purpose to attract or manifest specific things, it's just how life works. The idea is that each person has deep reasons for creating what they choose to experience (value fulfillment) and creating only positive or desirable outcomes typically doesn't satisfy that. Manifesting sometimes falls flat for people because they are actually working against their own value fulfillment. For instance, you might want to manifest help or collaboration on a project, but if you have a deep need to know that you are achieving it through your own efforts, you will probably either block that manifestation, sabotage it, or simply lose interest in it after you get what you want.
In ycyor circles I heard it said many times that a person who is having a difficult experience could choose to change it, that they could even manifest instant healing or transformation, but doing so would probably defeat the purpose of why they created it in the first place. If the person went to the trouble to create that, they have some reason for doing so, which they may not know how to fulfill any other way. And eventually, when that purpose is fulfilled, they gain understanding from it and naturally move on to a different experience.
The way to deliberately alter that experience would be to understand the deeper reasons why you choose to have it, by examining your beliefs. But this process starts with the basic premise that you DO choose your experience...even if you don't totally understand the mechanism of how/why you are choosing it. It's an acceptance that you do choose it somehow, and because you are choosing it, you can choose differently. It's not always easy to accept the idea that you create your experience, and sometimes it could be downright horrifying, yet to accept it opens up the possibility that you can create something different.
Manifestation practices tend to focus on the outcome of creating something different, rather than looking at the underlying beliefs and values that you are already using to form your experience. It works well when you want to manifest things or situations that are already in line with those deeper beliefs, but it's trickier when your beliefs are in conflict. Beliefs in this context are not so much what we say or think we believe, but our most fundamental assumptions about the nature of life, ideas that often rest unquestioned because they are presumed to be a truth.
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This is the part of loa that I'm conflicted on and don't necessarily believe. I do believe that we have the power to react to the cards we've been dealt in some instances and this can affect how we move forward through life-- but some things are out of our control individually. Going back to some previous comments in this thread, I know some people who were born with severe disabilities, I know people who were born in bad circumstances beyond their control, I know people who face hardship nearly everday of their lives because of systematic issues that are out of their hands (opression, discrimination, etc.)--I really struggle to believe they created this reality for themselves. If a child was born with a severe birth defect that causes them to pass away hours after birth, did they manifest their own passing? Did it's mother, or father or siblings? In what ways do other people's thoughts, intentions, manifestations, etc. affect our own thoughts, intentions, and manifestations? These are honestly rhetorical questions that I intend to research more when I have the time
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There is birth plan we born from a certain race certain family, certain people to encounter, certain things to learn.
Based on the setting, we can make changes with our own creation power.
If we have stronger belief, we even can alter the plan.
If you read Doroles Cannon's(Hypnotherapist) book you will find it out.
ES1281:
--- Quote from: ladya on January 03, 2020, 11:19:12 PM ---you guys seem to know what youre talking about so ill let you talk amongst yourselves. im done with this stupidity. I have better things to focus my energy on. toodles. im done with this forum. its a toxic wastebin. im out.
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Hughug ladya, sending love to you.
Star_01:
I don't think that the comments posted saying that we can choose to let trauma overtake us are fair. We can't control how trauma will affect us. Sorry for any potential triggers but this is a serious discussion.. Is a rape victim supposed to overcome their traumas and issues from their ordeal? Some people are stuck in trauma. We aren't all these spiritual law attraction turned gurus. Some people just have very bad luck in life and whenever they are happy things go wrong for them and they keep getting knocked down. I firmly believe that your childhood defines you at least in small ways. I have an experience to post, but it is so long. I just don't think it's right when people say that we need to not let trauma stunt our growth, do you all not think people want to be happy better people after their horrific abuse and traumas?
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