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doubleoh8:
@still tired these are all great points and I agree. I think we can really get confused if we rely too much on psychics for outcomes. It only leads to expectations and -- even IF the outcomes are likely -- we don't know all the nuances that are meant to get us there.

I had an interesting experience the other night. I went to see a fellow name Manuel Matas read from his book, which is called "the Borders of Normal". The author is a psychologist and he wrote the book in an attempt to demystify the paranormal (e.g. psychic experiences, near-death, apparitions, etc). Anyway, in the Q&A, a young man asked some questions about a woman who he had an on-off relationship with and about whom he'd been dreaming -- over and over. He wanted to know if the author thought the dreams were some kind of premonition or sign that they were meant to be together. He said a psychic had told him she was his twin flame.

Another man in the audience, who also identified himself as a psychic from a family of psychics, spoke up in response, basically saying that the future is NOT set in stone and free will is always involved. He said if any psychic told the young guy he was for sure going to be with the woman, that was misleading. He said that the dreams were showing the young man possible outcomes, and that at the time of dreaming those outcomes were likely... but that the future can shift and change, depending on what both parties choose or believe. I am paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it and it was interesting to hear it from someone who said he was a psychic himself.

whit777:
Something I heard from a reader about timing (or at least how she sees timing and predictions) is it's like predicting the weather. The closer in it is, the more easily you can make a sure prediction. If it's raining right now, you know in 5 minutes it will probably still be raining and you know for sure that the sun won't be out. A meteorologist could predict the rest of the week which is similar to a psychic's ability, and say these are the weather patterns moving in. But by the time they get to the 10 day forecast, it's more likely that the weather will be "similar" but not necessarily what was predicted. It can also be compared with things that are really far one way or the other. If it's 100 degrees today, the meteorologist knows it won't snow this month. Extremes are predicted more easily. Same with psychics (according to this analogy). If your POI was with you and you two broke up and now he's with someone else and they're getting married next month, it would be like snow in the late Spring for him to come back to you. It's maybe happened once before and it's "possible", but it's pretty easy to predict that it won't. So all these psychics predicting a POI coming back in this situation probably aren't actually seeing it happen. The benefit of the doubt might be that they misinterpreted something in the reading. But we believe it because we feel in our gut that we're meant to be together but think about how much the "weather" would have to turn in order for that to happen. There are too many things against someone in that situation and overcoming just one of them would be improbable.

There are other options for calling psychics besides advice and predictions, BTW. I mostly call now to find out what's going on right now and then I decide what to do. Using the weather analogy, that weather is accurate provided you stay in the same city it was predicted for. If you move 2000 miles away, you need a new weather report. Even in the same state, it'll be different. So when I've gotten predictions in the past, I hear them and I know without a doubt that I do something different or don't do something that was part of the plan. So I don't even want to hear the outcome. I'll still end up changing the flow of things because of whatever decisions I make based on what the psychic says is happening right now but at least I'm still playing my game of life. I think the biggest thing that I screw up is if I hear something will work out alright, I calm down and stop focusing on it when the reason for it being alright was the fact that I was in a frenzy about it and ended up sending a bold email or doing something based on the way I'm feeling. If I feel I need to pull an all nighter to finish a work project, hearing that they'll love my project will cause me to not pull that all nighter. But if I'm stressed about it, my fear will keep me awake lol. I'm just saying why I personally call psychics and that works out much better for me because then I can throw predictions out the window. Then I can call a good empath or something and not discount them because they're not good with predictions.

maroonlight:
If I'm paying a reader, then I want to know the outcome, or at least because life is not set in stone, the most LIKELY outcome. Anything is possible, I already know that, so I don't need to pay someone else to tell me the same thing. I do think it's a red flag when readers claim that they only answer specific questions and don't do general readings, or that they can only see 3 months out into the future. Anyone who was truly gifted would have the ability to see beyond that.

sawthelight:
Great posts everyone...appreciate hearing different perspectives.

Newlife:
Completely agree with you!!! If you can see the "future" I mean the future, regardless of any choice I make, you should see it. For example, I had something to do that required an appointment and payment in advance , I had already booked and paid for that appointment  but I didn't like the person's attitude, it was show up or lose it kinda  of deal, a good reader should be able to tell me what action I will take, in the end after wavering for a while, I let the money go and went somewhere else. Seeing the future should mean end result not the in between decision .


--- Quote from: Still tired on April 21, 2018, 02:18:04 PM ---I believe in free will...although I think most of the time it's not as "free" as we would like to believe it is, and I believe there are multiple possible outcomes and timelines depending on what we choose...but ultimately, there is only one course that our choices will actually take us down and will be manifested. A genuinely gifted psychic can see what course things will take and they can see what the outcome will be. I just don't believe many of them are really gifted that way and most of the time we are not meant to know anyway because it would affect our decisions.

From a certain perspective, all time is simultneous and it is all happening now. The universe has already recorded what we choose and it plays like a giant bluray disc. Free will is not so much what you think you want to do in the moment you make a decision, it is a deeper drive that builds on itself by the accumulation of experience. Outcomes do not totally change around just because a bit of time passes or we made a few decisions. What changes is the energy fields that convey information about our thoughts, feelings, and intentions. Psychics can read that energy and make predictions, and sometimes they may be right, or very close at least, but if they are basing it on changing energies it is not a reliable prediction. There is a higher layer of information that is unchanging and eternal.

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