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Some Myth Busting from a Keen Advisor
jas:
Well said Double - I agree completely.
It would seem there are a few senior members in this forum who will gun you down if you don't agree with there viewpoint - It's not an open discussion. Although I will say that Bstallings is the exception, she does try to state her point of view without tearing someone to pieces.
peppie:
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--- Quote from: Still tired on January 17, 2018, 11:44:09 PM ---What's sad is seeing people thank her for it.
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bwahhhhaaa! ;D ;D
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100% agree with both of these statements.
bstalling:
Excellent points still tired
journalmuse:
--- Quote from: Still tired on January 18, 2018, 03:22:41 PM ---
Personally the way I see it, if people do read all of what she wrote, and thank her for the advice without necessarily agreeing with everything she said and without calling out the ad hominem attacks she made against the entire forum, it is a bit disingenuous. What I think that would probably mean is that such people automatically exclude themselves from her characterizations, figuring it may apply to others here but not necessarily to themselves, which would be very arrogant.
Or, the other thing that crossed my mind is people thanking her or agreeing with her could be readers themselves, but I don't like to even go there.
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Except you just did go there. Really?
I wasn't going to respond to any of this because I don't think it's very useful, but I will to defend myself.
I'm no reader, and use these services as a consumer the same as everyone else. If anyone has any serious concerns that way, I'm more than happy to provide an administrator here with proof of my real identity and we can put this all to rest right now.
I chose to take from her post what was useful to me, and to the extent that there were useful things (which there were, to me), I thanked her for sharing. If you don't agree and think that makes me disingenuous, that's unfortunate but you're free to think what you like. As to why I might respond to one thing and not another, we all choose what is worth our time and energy to think about or remark on and to me, a productive discussion is worth it, the rest is not. Others may want to use their time and energy to flog her, or me, or make any other remarks you wish and that's OK too. I simply do not make that choice. But I find it unkind to cast aspersions on me for saying thank you to another human being.
I'm not going to respond further to this line, but felt the need to defend myself. I stand by all of my remarks and wish nothing but good things for everyone reading.
HornetKick:
--- Quote from: Still tired on January 18, 2018, 04:01:42 PM ---
--- Quote from: lostsoul209 on January 18, 2018, 04:13:36 AM ---So how can a psychic not see how a person going to act? So if we don't followed there advice it won't come true? What if they are just wrong period. CLEAR SPIRIT INTUITIVE may be the psychic that have been right for me she said that my poi is acting what she feel and she want nothing to do with me it was a long time ago and I didn't listen and keep on calling because 95 percent of the psychic said yes she has true and deep feeling for me.
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This has essentially been the problem with the vast majority of readings I have gotten. They may be right on some things, but they are mostly wrong on what the person will actually DO. And they have been wrong on that when I was not calling under any great emotional pressure, when I followed the reader's advice, or when I followed all the general suggestions that are usually given for getting good readings. They simply do not read the person accurately, and the customer does not have any control or influence over this.
I can see where we do have some influence over how things go when we get a service. For instance when I have a doctor's appointment, the way I communicate and carry myself may make a difference to how they interpret what is going on with me. However, my approach has no influence whatsoever over the doctor's own level of competence and ability, and in fact if that did happen to be the case then I would definitely be finding another doctor.
What some readers try to tell us is that our attitude or approach to getting a reading may have some influence over their own level of competence and ability. I can see where that may be true for some readers, but it is certainly not true for all of them. So I question whether that is really how psychic ability "works" or if it means instead there is a lower level of competence or ability, or simply an inconsistency in using the ability.
I think for any talent or ability, people can have off days or may understandably perform more poorly under difficult or trying circumstances. But there still must be a baseline of competency that the person defaults to even when they are not performing at their best. If the person in unable to perform at a satisfactory level, they will not be successful at their job.
I also question how useful it is to follow advice given along the lines of getting a better reading, considering all of the above.
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--- Quote from: Still tired on January 18, 2018, 03:22:41 PM ---
--- Quote from: doubleoh8 on January 18, 2018, 05:33:24 AM ---Essentially, I was trying to say that your post implies that those of us who have thanked pprincess for her posts must be: "too mixed up to realize that [she is] giving ... bad advice". And although I believe you are coming from a place of caring (for other forum users) when you say that, it's mildly insulting and patronizing and certainly not true for me.
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Interesting that you feel that way regarding a comment where I was talking about myself, but pprincess's direct characterizations of people who use this forum went right past you. Maybe you didn't read through the whole thread, but she painted everyone here with a pretty broad brush.
Personally the way I see it, if people do read all of what she wrote, and thank her for the advice without necessarily agreeing with everything she said and without calling out the ad hominem attacks she made against the entire forum, it is a bit disingenuous. What I think that would probably mean is that such people automatically exclude themselves from her characterizations, figuring it may apply to others here but not necessarily to themselves, which would be very arrogant.
Or, the other thing that crossed my mind is people thanking her or agreeing with her could be readers themselves, but I don't like to even go there.
So all in all I'd rather give you or anyone else the benefit of the doubt that you didn't fully catch on to what she said, which was a broad brushed, wholesale dismissal of all the feedback offered by Keen customers on this forum. It is understandable that people may have missed that because what she said and the way she said it was very manipulative. In my experience, this kind of manipulation is typical of a certain subset of Keen readers, and her comments and the subsequent responses reminded me of those experiences.
--- Quote ---I am not too mixed up, and I am perfectly capable of reading through her posts and discerning what is useful information (for me).
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I'm sure you are fully capable of discerning for yourself, and so is everyone else here, there is no question of that. Whether people use those capabilities is something else. As you wrote earlier, you did not read all the "back-and-forth arguing" (and I suggest if you read it you might find it is not all arguing) and maybe you overlooked her ad hominem attacks. So perhaps there is more to be discerned here.
--- Quote ---As it turns out, I don't agree with everything she's said, but there are certainly some insights that I find valuable as someone who gets readings.
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I think she made some very interesting points and I can see where it might be useful. However I don't feel the need to thank someone when their insights are presented in such an antagonistic and disruptive. It makes me sad for me to see that, because it reminds me of my own past experiences. That is my honest feeling and I can't help it if my feelings offend you. I have the right to my feelings, as much as you do to yours. But I don't feel sad or sorry for you in particular as a person, if that helps.
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I could say a lot more about PP's posts, aside for the remarks that I am being harsh or some such bs that Doubleoh8 had posted earlier. I saw her original post before she took it down.
It's interesting how PP's fans don't see how erroneous her posts are, because sooooooooooooooo many believe she is actually being helpful and that her posts are useful. They don't even realize what they are thanking her for.
Still tired you made such excellent posts, that I wanted to post them again, but it seems that some of the members here just won't get it.
And as we all know, 'You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink'
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