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"One (reading) is too much - one thousand is not enough!"
copperhead:
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--- Quote from: sunshineluv7 on January 01, 2017, 07:47:23 PM ---Hey all :)
Now, I'm not that familiar with 12 step programs, but I do know they work. So, if anyone has experience in this area, please get in touch!
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Actually, they do not work so well. There's a lot of research and literature on the failure of the 12-steps program, google.
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It works if you want it to. Like anything. I know quite a few people in my life that 12 step saved them. It is all how you look at it, what you want...what works for you. As you said doesn't work for every one, but it does work for those that accept it. And want it.
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It works if you work it :) An AA slogan. I know for a fact it works. I was sober for 20 years through the AA program. Then went out when I got a divorce and thought I had matured enough that maybe I wasn't an alcoholic anymore. Plus, I stopped going to meetings for about 7 years at that point. I stayed out for about 6 years and have been sober again for 2 years. In order for them to work, you MUST admit and accept that you have a problem and want to get help. If you don't do that first step, it won't work. Bottom line.
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What I wanted to say it's that it's not the only nor the best method to fight addiction. It has got so big that it has obscured the fact that actually their success rate is not so high. Glad for those that worked. But there are other ways too. There's now some respectable research on this topic.
Baypark1:
--- Quote from: copperhead on January 02, 2017, 04:53:59 AM ---
--- Quote from: Baypark1 on January 02, 2017, 04:49:47 AM ---
--- Quote from: Bella on January 02, 2017, 02:00:27 AM ---
--- Quote from: copperhead on January 02, 2017, 01:52:45 AM ---
--- Quote from: sunshineluv7 on January 01, 2017, 07:47:23 PM ---Hey all :)
Now, I'm not that familiar with 12 step programs, but I do know they work. So, if anyone has experience in this area, please get in touch!
--- End quote ---
Actually, they do not work so well. There's a lot of research and literature on the failure of the 12-steps program, google.
--- End quote ---
It works if you want it to. Like anything. I know quite a few people in my life that 12 step saved them. It is all how you look at it, what you want...what works for you. As you said doesn't work for every one, but it does work for those that accept it. And want it.
--- End quote ---
It works if you work it :) An AA slogan. I know for a fact it works. I was sober for 20 years through the AA program. Then went out when I got a divorce and thought I had matured enough that maybe I wasn't an alcoholic anymore. Plus, I stopped going to meetings for about 7 years at that point. I stayed out for about 6 years and have been sober again for 2 years. In order for them to work, you MUST admit and accept that you have a problem and want to get help. If you don't do that first step, it won't work. Bottom line.
--- End quote ---
What I wanted to say it's that it's not the only nor the best method to fight addiction. It has got so big that it has obscured the fact that actually their success rate is not so high. Glad for those that worked. But there are other ways too. There's now some respectable research on this topic.
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I'm sure there are many other ways to overcome addiction, but what I like personally about the 12 steps is the fact you take a pretty in depth look within. Plus the sponsor/accountability part is SO important because you have someone to support you when you are at your weakest. Like right now, I really feel like calling. No real reason why I want to, I just do. So, having someone to call would be awesome.
If you have alternative ways, please share!
copperhead:
I'm sure there are many other ways to overcome addiction, but what I like personally about the 12 steps is the fact you take a pretty in depth look within. Plus the sponsor/accountability part is SO important because you have someone to support you when you are at your weakest. Like right now, I really feel like calling. No real reason why I want to, I just do. So, having someone to call would be awesome.
If you have alternative ways, please share!
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Therapy, counseling, mindfulness. Everything that will help build a strong ego. The 12 steps don't do that.
Google, "why the 12 steps don't work", or similar. You'll find a lot on why the program is actually not so good, and better alternatives. -
Baypark1:
--- Quote from: copperhead on January 02, 2017, 05:14:30 AM ---
I'm sure there are many other ways to overcome addiction, but what I like personally about the 12 steps is the fact you take a pretty in depth look within. Plus the sponsor/accountability part is SO important because you have someone to support you when you are at your weakest. Like right now, I really feel like calling. No real reason why I want to, I just do. So, having someone to call would be awesome.
If you have alternative ways, please share!
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Therapy, counseling, mindfulness. Everything that will help build a strong ego. The 12 steps don't do that.
Google, "why the 12 steps don't work", or similar. You'll find a lot on why the program is actually not so good, and better alternatives. -
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I've been through therapy, counseling and have done a ton of mindfulness and internal emotional work. Unless you have an addiction and have been through the 12 steps and can say it didn't work for you, then maybe therapy and counseling is the way for you. I've also been through grief counseling due to tbe.loss of my daughter and I can tell you first hand, therapt didn't work nearly as well as finding a person on a forum that I could talk to daily who was in the same place as I was. There is something very powerful in helping each other, accountability and supporting each other. Weekly therapy appointments are great, but overcoming addiction is a daily, sometimes hourly issue. The 12 steps have worked for thousands of people since the 1930's. The ONLY reason it doesn't work is if you aren't working it. I know from personal experience.
sunshineluv7:
Exactly this:
"There is something very powerful in helping each other, accountability and supporting each other. Weekly therapy appointments are great, but overcoming addiction is a daily, sometimes hourly issue. The 12 steps have worked for thousands of people since the 1930's. The ONLY reason it doesn't work is if you aren't working it. I know from personal experience."
That is why 12-step based programs work. And it's not so much about the 12 steps, as it is about the topics you discuss within those meetings, the companionship, how shame is finally undone by being with people who truly understand your struggle. The topics in the meetings are usually spin-offs or related to the 12 steps but are tools that help you approach life and grow in general. Support groups are really just a most structured group therapy.
I can say for me, counseling, mindfulness, all those tools have NOT worked as far as calling psychics.
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